Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick 40th Anniversary Special Edition

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by joepepitone, Nov 6, 2011.

  1. Steven Wilson

    Steven Wilson Member

    Location:
    LONDON
    Hello folks - just to clarify: the replacement DVD only replaces the 5.1 streams of my TAAB mix with a flat transfer, the stereo is still in mastered form. The glitches present in the original 5.1 mastering meant that EMI had to fix them, which gave me the opportunity to also persuade them to replace the mastered version with a flat transfer (having been on tour the first time the mastering was done, so unfortunately out of the loop). As there were no glitches on the stereo there wasn't the same opportunity there.

    While I'm here a couple of other things to address. Somebody mentioned that I had deliberately sped up TAAB to make it sound brighter - though the conclusion (expressed as incontrovertible fact needless to say) is absurd, I can understand where the impression came from, as the remix does indeed run slightly faster towards the end. Or I should say that for the first time ever the TAAB remix runs at the *correct* speed throughout. All previous editions ran gradually slower and slower as the piece progressed, so that by the end the track is running about a third of a semitone flat / slow. We believe this was due to a fault with the tape machine used for the original mixdown.

    Someone also mentioned that none of my mixes are "warm" - I'm not sure if that was meant as a criticism, or just an observation, but there would certainly be some truth in this. I'm not in the habit of adding brightness to things for the sake of it (though the ones that have been mastered have gained in that area in a way I can't say I like), so what you hear is pretty close to what is on the multitrack tapes. I'm by no means an expert on the effects of the analogue process on music, having grown up with and learned my trade on digital equipment, but it has become apparent to me in comparing the original mixes with what I hear coming off the multitrack tapes, that when the original mixes were done in the 60's/70's/80's, the process of mixing through an analogue desk onto 1/4 reel to reel running at 15 inches per second appears to have usually resulted in a lot of high end roll off, above 8K especially, and then usually nothing at all above say 14K. I think that this is what many people perceive to be "warmth", but in fact it is itself a distortion and compromise of sorts, and I have yet to find any artist who does not prefer the additional clarity and air at the top end that bypassing the analogue tape mixdown stage gives the music - essentially the way they recorded it. I say this of course with the caveat that many listeners may quite legitimately prefer the sonic signature of the analogue tape high end roll off. After all, give the same piece of music to 1,000 people and ask them to EQ it they way they want it (in other words be your own mastering engineer), and you will get 1,000 different settings. Which is why I largely favour to not EQ anything too much when it comes off the tapes, to have a flat CD transfer, and for the 5.1 to be uncompressed on Blu-Ray and/or DVDA. But at the end of the day as the remix engineer, mastering approach and format is something I can only suggest to the labels and artists (which is not to say that they aren't listening, and I do think things will take a turn for the better on the next Tull release, the issues with TAAB have been noted by all involved).

    Hope that helps - best wishes for the new year!
    SW
     
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  2. Claus

    Claus Senior Member

    Location:
    Germany
    Steven... thanks for your detailed comment. Can't wait to hear news from your next mixing projects and the "Raven..." deluxe set.
     
  3. ssmith3046

    ssmith3046 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Arizona desert
    Great to read Steve's comments.
     
  4. dpv2008

    dpv2008 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Ukraine
    Mr.Wilson, many thanks for great work!!!
     
  5. rtsurroundfan

    rtsurroundfan Active Member

    Location:
    New Orleans, LA
    Thanks for your comments, Steven! Does this mean that you will definitely be remixing "A Passion Play"?
     
  6. rstamberg

    rstamberg Senior Member

    Location:
    Riverside, CT
    A class act.


    Rock Stamberg
     
  7. Pibroch

    Pibroch Active Member

    Location:
    Dayton, OH
    Thank you, Steven.
     
  8. therockman

    therockman Senior Member In Memoriam

    Exact opposite for me.l I love this album, I was raised on it. This release has provided me hours of enjoyment with the flat tramsfer of the original mix. I don't need anything else.
     
  9. warp2600

    warp2600 Forum Addict

    Location:
    Hungary
    Thank you for your insight. Your efforts are much appreciated. Even with the glitches and the controversial mastering, I love this 40th anniversary box set. The dvd has barely been out of the player for the past month, I usually listen to the new stereo mix. Good to hear about a possible/planned new Tull re-release and maybe we will get a lossless surround version next time (it was great that you could persuade Sony to release ELP and Tarkus in the DVD-A format - unbelievable!)
     
  10. Runt

    Runt Forum Resident

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    Motor City
    Thank your for chiming in here, Steven. And thanks for all your great work!
     
  11. Quark1134

    Quark1134 Forum Resident

    Thanks for your comments Steven. Loved your work on Aqualung! Shame about the EQ / compression changes made to TAAB. Hope your future work escapes unscathed the heavy hand of those who seem to have lost their high frequency hearing.
     
  12. Runt

    Runt Forum Resident

    Location:
    Motor City
    Anyone know if the corrected version is available at Amazon.com (USA) yet?
     
  13. pdenny

    pdenny 20-Year SHTV Participation Trophy Recipient

    Location:
    Hawthorne CA
    The question remains: what do those of us who bought this from a local ma-n-pa brick and mortar store do to get a replacement disc? I could return it as defective but they'd take a hit.
     
  14. craig leonard

    craig leonard Forum Resident

    Location:
    Ohio, USA
    Exactly. I voiced a similiar opinion a few pages back. I want to support my local store, but I'd also like a non-defective 5.1 DVD. So far, only online customers have gotten replacements.

    Aditionally, it is very hard for a small store to return product for credit, even when the problem is known. I bought a double CD a few years ago that only contained one CD. My local shop replaced it, but they had to eat the loss as the distributor refused to accept it back as "defective."
     
  15. calgary669

    calgary669 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Calgary, Canada
    i must say that I was in for a surprise today.... my 27$ TAAB as finally shipped from Amazon.ca.

    Worth the wait, I guess!
     
  16. John76

    John76 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Midwest
    Cool! Mine says shipping soon.
     
  17. MikeT

    MikeT Prior Forum Cretin and Current Impatient Creep

    Location:
    New Jersey, USA
    Yes. My vinyl copy did also. I gave up on it, but I just let the order sit, just in case and it shipped. Nice

    On another note, I got tired of waiting to get a replacement DVD for the 5.1 mix I also got from Amazon.ca quite awhile back, so I re-ordered from Amazon.co.uk. It arrived today and it was the fixed DVD. I didn't really listen extensively, so I can't comment on the overall sound quality - but I specifically zipped to the end of the 5.1 track to hear the "yeah" at the end. In that way I was sure I got the re-done DVD.
     
  18. John Buchanan

    John Buchanan I'm just a headphone kind of fellow. Stax Sigma

    Contacted Amazon about the DVD fault, asking about how any replacement DVD would be sent from EMI, and was instead credited with the full purchase price including postage and told to keep the disc. No wonder Amazon has so many clients.
     
  19. ranasakawa

    ranasakawa Forum Resident

    I brought mine from JBHifi and they have no idea about any replacement discs. Thank you Steven Wilson for your incredible honesty and being so up-front to us music freaks, your one of a kind mate !
     
  20. mmars982

    mmars982 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Same here. Was given a refund with no instructions to return disc. Was told to reorder, but looks like item is no longer avail to order from Amazon. I'm guessing it will be when new discs are in.
     
  21. DesertChaos

    DesertChaos Forum Resident

  22. chaz

    chaz Senior Member

    Location:
    Canada
    Just wondering if anyone has received their replacement from Burnng Shed?
     
  23. Mike McMann

    Mike McMann Forum Resident

    Steven, thank you very much for your message. Can't honestly say I understand all of your comments but I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post.
    Your recent work on the Tull and ELP albums is greatly appreciated and I look forward to the next Tull project you mentioned. :cheers:
     
  24. Mike McMann

    Mike McMann Forum Resident

    Can you advise if this the new glitch free product? When received.
     
  25. PNeski@aol.com

    PNeski@aol.com Forum Resident

    Location:
    New York
    have the defective discs been replaced in new copies? when is it safe to buy??
     

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