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Jimmy Cliff - The Harder They Come - a pleasant surprise

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Gary Freed, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Gary Freed

    Gary Freed Forum Resident Thread Starter

    We recently rented the Jimmy CLiff movie from the 70's.

    "The Harder They Come"

    The movie was quite entertaining and the music IMO was great as well.

    This is the 1st time I've seen this movie so I am now interested in buying the soundtrack and would like to know which digital version would be the one to get for the best sound quality.

    Apparently this soundtrack has been released on vinyl a bunch of times
    and from the amazon listings the digital version has as well.

    If anyone also has thoughts on other CD's from the rest of his catalog that
    might sound great, please share.


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  2. attym

    attym Forum Resident

    Its a great album. I had an early pressing of this album and a later 70's pressing and the later one sounded better to my ears....
  3. Gary Freed

    Gary Freed Forum Resident Thread Starter

    How about on CD though?

    I think for the genre of music, Jimmy Cliff is every bit as talented as Bob Marley was.

    The movie was pretty funny actually.
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  4. bigmikerocks

    bigmikerocks Forum Resident

    me and some friends used to watch this on vhs

    we were talking recently about how we'd like to get the dvd to see captions for some of the dialogue!!!!! there's a few times on there where it sounds like they're talking jibberish....maybe it's local dialect

    cool movie, cool music!
  5. The Panda

    The Panda Forum Mutant

    Marple, PA, USA
    I bought a remastered CD of this in the late 90's/early 00's. I'll try and post the number when I get home. It sounded noticeably better. This lp is essential for every person who is at least interested in reggae. Just a great set, but I could do without the songs being repeated.
  6. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

    Toronto, Canada
    There is only one CD master of this...
    Go get it!
  7. curbach

    curbach Some guy on the internet

    The ATX
    Yeah, that is definitely weak. It's a relatively short album already and then 2 of the songs are repeated? I would think unless the deluxe edition is a sonic disaster you'd want to go that way just for all the additional music.

    I have the original (I think) Mango cd, but I haven't played it in a long time. I'll have to revisit before I can offer an opinion on the sound.
  8. The Panda

    The Panda Forum Mutant

    Marple, PA, USA
    This was the version I got in the 90's: Mango 846 574-2
    It's a UK pressing. On the back cover upper left, it says Reggae Refreshers.
  9. aswyth

    aswyth Forum Resident

    LA, CA
    There are two masters of the single disc - the second is better. The "deluxe edition" is full of great music, but there's not a single thing on it that even a casual reggae fan won't have already. Go for the newer single disc, and explore from there.
  10. imagnrywar

    imagnrywar Forum Resident

    San Francisco
    I have the old Mango CD and it sounds fine to me. Haven't compared it to the newer ones, though.
  11. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Get the earliest MANGO CD. It's a clean, flat transfer and fixes the AZ problem with SHANTY TOWN (finally.)
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  12. attym

    attym Forum Resident

    Just picked one of these up at a yard sale for a buck. I believe it was a columbia house CD though.... would that be the same??
  13. Robovampire

    Robovampire New Member

    United States
    Just picked it up. good stuff
  14. Popmartijn

    Popmartijn Forum Resident

    The Netherlands
    What's the AZ problem?

    BTW, for the record, I have a Canadian pressing. The label says Mango (CIDM 9202), though the disc itself says Island.
    Matrix is #920528MM CIDM-9202 MFG BY CINRAM
  15. Artery1

    Artery1 Forum Resident

    Coventry UK
    I only bought this on Island recently, here in the UK. Sound is good, and it is well packaged.

    Sticker on the front says, "The classic soundtrack remastered. Original Artwork and Lyrics." Serial number RRCD61/586158-2 LC CC407. Copyright 2001.
  16. -Ben

    -Ben Forum Resident

    Washington DC Area
    I saw this movie over 30 years ago so I bought the LP back then. I also bought the CD (Mango CCD 9202) when it first came out (mid 80s) and was surprised at how good SHANTY TOWN sounded. The first CD I came across was made in Australia by Disctronics.

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  17. ivor

    ivor Forum Resident

    I had this same question a few months ago and ended up getting the Deluxe Edition because I barely have any reggae and the price was right.

    I can't find it now, but someone on the forum complained about the 1999 remaster using noise reduction on Shanty Town -- it's supposed to be phasey, and of course the NR kills that. The deluxe keeps the phasiness, so I think the one you definitely want to avoid is the 1999 remaster.

    With that said, I haven't heard the Mango. I enjoy the deluxe, but I'm sure the Mango has better dynamics.
  18. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    It's NOT supposed to be phasey. The point of the original Mango CD is that it corrects the problem.
  19. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    Most likely yes
  20. ivor

    ivor Forum Resident

    I found Steve's posts from a few years ago on this topic. This forum has pretty much discussed everything already, hasn't it? :)

    Quotes taken from these threads:

    "Get the Island/Mango CD from 1990 - RRCD 11. That is the only place mentioned that they mastered the song correctly. All other versions master it in out of phase mono. A stoopid mistake!"

    But then...

    "Good way to tell if it's from the CD or not. Listen to SHANTY TOWN. If it's wildly phasy (like it was done on purpose or something even though it wasn't) it's the original album master. If the phase issue is fixed and that song sound louder than the rest with no phase problems it's a cut of the "fixed" digital version and should be (if you ask me) avoided."

    I read the first one as saying that Mango is good, but then the second one says that phasey is good. I'm still confused, but it would probably make sense if I had the Mango CD. :)
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  21. Popmartijn

    Popmartijn Forum Resident

    The Netherlands
    That second thread has another quote that (IMO) explains why the 'digital' version should be avoided when buying the LP.

    "They only fixed it digitally. Why spend money to buy an LP cut from a CD when the actual CD is out there for 10 bucks?"

    So on CD, get the original with the non-phasey 007 (Shanty Town). On LP, hope you have a version from the original analog tape (with a phasey 007 (Shanty Town)).
  22. Paul K

    Paul K Senior Member

    Toronto, Canada

    Perhaps it is best to trust the ears of Steve who has probably heard the masters for this and not someone who hasn't...
  23. jkauff

    jkauff Senior Member

    Akron, OH
    Speaking of which, maybe we should add this one to the Audio Fidelity wish list.
  24. JA Fant

    JA Fant Well-Known Member

    I too enjoy JC music.
  25. BradOlson

    BradOlson Country/Christian Music Maven

    If the spine catalog number is 162-539 202-2 is this the good CD? if it is, I got a great bargain right here on the forum.

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