Joy Division Day By Day - Part 2

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  1. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    Part 2 of Joy Division Day By Day.......

    This is the final poll. The winner of the first poll has been rolled over to this.... Which was Atmosphere. It now starts again, the winner will be announced in 14 days time.

    I'f you'd like to revisit part 1 click here Joy Division - Day by Day


    Day 15

    Candidate




    Forced by the pressure,
    The territories marked,
    No longer the pleasure,
    Oh, I've since lost the heart.

    Corrupted from memory,
    No longer the power,
    It's creeping up slowly,
    That last fatal hour.

    Oh, I don't what made me,
    What gave me the right,
    To mess with your values,
    And change wrong to right.

    Please keep your distance,
    The trail leads to here,
    There's blood on your fingers,
    Brought on by fear.

    I campaigned for nothing,
    I worked hard for this,
    I tried to get to you,
    You treat me like this.

    It's just second nature,
    It's what we've been shown,
    We're living by your rules,
    That's all that we know.

    I tried to get to you,
    I tried to get to you,
    I tried to get to you.
    I tried to get to you.


    Another classic. This is a sombre affair, with Curtis sounding more desolate and alone...... He sounds lost. The more you get into this album the more distinctly separate it is from Warsaw. By now we've all but forgotten that old punk band. The guitars in this are discordant, more noises than actual music. They give dramatic effect to the proceedings, allowing Curtis to spill his thoughts...... I tried to get to you..... brilliant!
     
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  2. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    This'll be interesting as LWTUA is in this poll. I suspect that song will get the vote of casual listeners, where more hardened fans will likely vote for something else completely.
     
  3. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Forum Resident

    Location:
    Little Britain
    My votes on the above list:
    Atmosphere
    No Love Lost
    Shadowplay
    Transmission
    Warsaw
     
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  4. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter


    You want five....... But can only have 2........ decisions decisions :cool:
     
  5. Luisboa

    Luisboa Forum Resident

    Location:
    Coimbra, Portugal
    Voted only two:
    Atmosphere
    New dawn fades
     
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  6. Kassonica

    Kassonica Forum Resident

    I voted 24 hours and love will tear us apart.
     
  7. SCOTT1234

    SCOTT1234 Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scotland
    24 hours
    Transmission
    New dawn fades
    Isolation
    She's lost control
    Novelty

    I suspect Novelty won't pick up many votes but I've always really liked it.
     
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  8. kaztor

    kaztor How I feel when there is no coffee? Depresso.

    I stayed with the ‘two votes’ aesthetic:
    Novelty & Twenty Four Hours.
     
  9. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    I think the second half of this poll is going to be close........
     
  10. kaztor

    kaztor How I feel when there is no coffee? Depresso.

    Definitely krautrock-influenced and very much a mood piece, this kinda blends in with the surrounding songs the same way Secrets will do on The Cure’s Seventeen Seconds-album. That’s where I will try and stop mentioning that band, because I feel both bands unfairly get lumped together as ‘gothic, depressing music’ every time a fitting topic comes up. It really is driven by Morris’ drums.
    Title seems a sly nod to Bowie’s own song called Candidate.
     
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  11. onlyacanvasky

    onlyacanvasky Has anybody seen my cup of tea?

    I gave Sound Of Music, Something Must Break and The Only Mistake votes. I really like those songs, and I think it really says something about how good a band is when their leftovers are that good.

    Just some (disjointed, sorry) observations on the band and my listening habits over the years - I absolutely adored Joy Division when I was in high school 20 years ago. Devoured all I could find, listened to them all the time (much to the bemusement of my mates, JD/NO hadn't yet had their renaissance and anyone who'd heard of them was 20 years older than me). These days I like listening to them when the mood strikes but I find Closer very tough going now. Last time I tried to play it I couldn't get through to the end, it was just too sad.
    I also absolutely love New Order's first recording of Ceremony (the "green cover" version that was unavailable on CD for so long). Even though it's technically New Order, it really feels to me like a Joy Division recording that Ian couldn't make it to, so Bernard took the vocal. In my mind that is the apex and end of the "Joy Division sound", with New Order went off in another direction starting with the re-recording of Ceremony. I've been making year by year playlists in my iTunes library lately and the 1980 one starts with Sound Of Music and ends with Ceremony, they make wonderful bookends.


    What an evolution from Inside The Line to Ceremony within five years. Some bands don't make half the process in twice the time.
     
  12. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    I think Ian would have done a better job on Movement if he'd lived..........
     
  13. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    It's actually better than that..... 3 years, 'cos they wrote ceremony before Ian died. The first issue by New Order was 1981 so just 4 years after Inside the Line...... Fantastic progress.
     
  14. Pop_Zeus

    Pop_Zeus Forum Resident

    Location:
    Southport, UK
    Candidate - Unusually sparse, with an almost 'chilled out' vibe, compared to what had come before. I never used to be a big fan of it, but something clicked when I saw the band of actors playing it on Control and heard Peter Hook & The Light playing it live. I love the drumming, especially when I saw it live. The guitar sounds are rather unique and I think its an under appreciated little gem.

    I voted Transmission and Twenty Four Hours, the latter partly on the presumption that loads of votes will go to LWTUA anyway.
     
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  15. onlyacanvasky

    onlyacanvasky Has anybody seen my cup of tea?

    And if we’re being precise, that first released recording of Ceremony was made when they were in America in September 1980. So yes, a lot of progress in a very short time.
     
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  16. onlyacanvasky

    onlyacanvasky Has anybody seen my cup of tea?

    I do like Hooky doubling himself at the octave on Dreams Never End…and Movement is an amazing album for driving through fog at night…but let’s save that for the New Order day by day thread!
     
  17. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter


    I'm surprised they managed anything on that tour...... They had all their gear nicked in NYC


    Anyhow...... back on topic..... CANDIDATE :)
     
  18. Kassonica

    Kassonica Forum Resident

    24 hours is just one of best songs ever written, with lyrics that are deeply chilling, it transcends time itself in some way....It's a insight and a deep one at that into the human condition
     
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  19. Purple Jim

    Purple Jim Forum Resident

    Location:
    Little Britain
    OK. If only two from that list:
    Atmosphere
    Shadowplay


    Only two from both lists:
    Dead Souls
    Shadowplay
     
  20. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter


    You like Shadowplay then??.. LOL
     
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  21. Pop_Zeus

    Pop_Zeus Forum Resident

    Location:
    Southport, UK
    Playing the live at the Factory version of Candidate (from bonus disc of 2007 UP). I love how both sides of JD are out there, as there are times when I'm Hannetted out and want to hear the rawer live stuff. On this short live version you get more prominent overdriven bass and a totally different (ie more traditional) guitar sound. No idea if its on YouTube, if so then feel free to put up a link anyone (posting from work so can't access site). Anyway, I think its the only officially released live version and its excellent.
     
  22. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter


     
  23. Pop_Zeus

    Pop_Zeus Forum Resident

    Location:
    Southport, UK
    And you can tell that the Control performance of Candidate itself was based on that live version

     
  24. bettsaj

    bettsaj “I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing.” Thread Starter

    What I liked about the film Control, is that the band played live..... There was no miming, it was all real.
     
  25. onlyacanvasky

    onlyacanvasky Has anybody seen my cup of tea?

    Sorry to veer off, if you'll just allow me one more indulgence on the topic - according to the An Ideal For Living book by Johnson, Lees, Morley and Wozencroft the gear was nicked the night after the recording session. They were in the studio Mon-Tue September 22-23 and the gear was pinched on that Tuesday night. No wonder their sound changed.

    And now back to Unknown Pleasures!
     
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