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Micro scratches with Sleeve city diskkeeper

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by 12" 45rpm, Mar 2, 2017.

  1. 12" 45rpm

    12" 45rpm Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Location:
    New York City
    I have been using these sleeves for the past year:

    Audiophile inner record sleeve available in packs of 50

    The quality is great but I notice some very faint micro scratches on records that I bought Mint/sealed. The scratches are not audible. Am I putting them in the sleeve wrong or is this a known issue with them? Below is a picture of some of the scratches:

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  2. Sunsales

    Sunsales Forum Resident

    Location:
    South Florida,USA
    I've stopped buying anymore of these since I found what appear to be hard spots, between the layers. I went back to the equivalent mobile fidelity sleeve, and now use those exclusively.
     
  3. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Yep, I've had the same issue. If you run your hand over the top of the sleeve you can feel that there are some rough particles imbedded in the plastic that cause this. Here's a picture I posted in another thread that shows what happened when a NM record was put in a Sleeve City inner without separating and opening the inner first.
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    Last edited: Mar 2, 2017
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  4. resonated

    resonated Forum Resident

    Craziness. Use diskeeper sleeves exclusively and am very paranoid/attentive about microscratches on my records. Never experienced anything like this.
     
  5. JPartyka

    JPartyka I Got a Home on High

    Location:
    USA
    Same. I'm surprised to see these pics.
     
  6. hi_watt

    hi_watt The Road Warrior

    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Interesting, as I've been using these sleeves as well. I'll need to give my LPs a gander again to see if they have such defects.
     
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  7. mr.datsun

    mr.datsun Incompletist

    Location:
    London
    I never drop LPs into a sleeve. I also do my best to slide them in or out with the least contact against the inner as I do it. I've always done this, whatever the sleeve material.
     
  8. Faders Up

    Faders Up Forum Resident

    Location:
    Portland, OR
    Yup. I bought 150 Disk keepers to replace the defective MoFi sleeves that left cleanable marks. I then had to replace the 150 Diskeeper sleeves that left permanent (albeit inaudible marks) with new MoFi sleeves. Fun times.
     
  9. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Drop? Who said drop? Proper inner sleeve material should never scratch a record no matter how inserted. See the discontinued VRP inner sleeves the Diskeepers are based on.
     
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  10. dobyblue

    dobyblue Forum Resident

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  11. piffinainteasy

    piffinainteasy New Member

    Location:
    NJ

    nope. check the MOFI sleeve issue thread, this was my post on there with some pictures and MOFI sleeves doing some damage as well

     
  12. Matt Starr

    Matt Starr Forum Troglodyte

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Yeah, now I'm wondering about the Ultimate Inners as well. Anyone have this problem with those?
     
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  13. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

    Location:
    Northeast
    IME most of the modern rice paper inner sleeves do this. I don't think it's because there is something embedded in the plastic I think the surfaces of vinyl (combined with a revealing light) are just susceptible to very superficial marks and the material in those sleeves is not that soft. The ones that do it the least are the ones from Bags Unlimited but I had a large batch from them where the sleeves were way off in dimensions.

    The Hunt EDA brushes will also do this.
     
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  14. piffinainteasy

    piffinainteasy New Member

    Location:
    NJ
    its just one after another ha. the hunt continues.

    just put in for a bunch of samples from sleeve city...hoping their ultimate audiophile or polylined paper sleeves are better than the 2.0 anti static ones
     
  15. BlueTrane

    BlueTrane Forum Resident

    Haven't yet - but then, I also do this….
     
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  16. Matt Starr

    Matt Starr Forum Troglodyte

    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Nice. Same here and I've never had the issue either.
     
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  17. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

    Location:
    Midwest
    I haven't seen this either, and I have thousands of them in use. Have you tried contacting them about it?
     
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  18. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    I probably worded it wrong when I said "embedded in the plastic", a more accurate description would be that the plastic material has a rough surface with little sand-like bumps. Unlike the older "rice-paper" style sleeves, like those often found on Japanese records, that were perfectly smooth.
     
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  19. AaronW

    AaronW Formerly Blackie

    Location:
    Los Angeles
    Yeah, twice, with photos. They responded by saying they don't see any problem and sent a replacement pack that was the same. The Diskeeper inner sleeves made right before they added the logo were great, after that they got spotty and seemed to have changed vendors and/or materials.
     
  20. piffinainteasy

    piffinainteasy New Member

    Location:
    NJ
    i had after i noticed the scuffs on my records, gave me a refund at least and did admit to some form of a problem with a certain batch. they were rather vague and could have been just brushing me off or maybe they do realize its a common problem but haven't done anything about it
     
  21. johnny q

    johnny q Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bergen County, NJ
    Yeah - I have at least 200 of my records in these. Never had any issues.....that I know of. Now this thread is making me nervous....
     
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  22. ibanez_ax

    ibanez_ax Forum Resident

    I've never had a problem with the square or round bottomed ones.
     
  23. hvbias

    hvbias Midrange magic

    Location:
    Northeast
    I have the older ones without logo and newer with logo and arrows pointing at the opening, I'll have a feel to see if I can see a difference. I always thought it was the stiffiness combined rougher material that did it. But then again none of the modern rice paper sleeves feel that soft to my touch compared to something like those old Pallas sleeves which are almost waxy and have little friction.

    Just curious what sleeves you feel are the least abrasive?

    On some of them I will only notice the hairlines after dozens of use. But it is still disappointing since you have to mention them and possibly grade down.
     
  24. jon9091

    jon9091 Master Of Reality

    Location:
    Midwest
    I store my sleeves in the jacket with the opening facing the top of the record.
    I completely remove the inner sleeve, and with one hand reach all the way in to the middle of the record....propping the sleeve open with my hand at the same time. There's just no way to get these kind of abrasion marks going in or out because I'm not letting the sleeve slide flat against the record surface. Putting the record away, I basically do the opposite. The sleeve is propped open so it doesn't slide against the record.
    So, let me ask you guys this...how are you storing your sleeves in the record jackets?
    If it's with the opening of the sleeve out, perhaps it's causing more abrasion?

    :shrug:
     
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  25. Long Live Analog

    Long Live Analog Forum Resident

    Location:
    Memphis
    After 4 packs of the Ultimate's no issues...
     

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