Needle Jumps On Reggae Records

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  1. Bassist

    Bassist Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    I have a random issue with the needle jumping (but not sticking) on reggae records.

    Primarily happens on new pressings rather than records from my own collection or s/h purchases of 70s pressings. Does not always happen in the same place on the same record and not every time.

    Cleaning the records does not seem to make a massive difference. Does not happen with any other genres that I have encountered so far. Does not happen with other bass heavy records.

    I am slightly at a loss and I don't want to start messing with the set up without canvassing for some advice first.

    Cartridge is an Ortofon OM10 and he turntable is an Elipson Omega 100.

    Thanks in advance for any guidance.
     
  2. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    I would try playing it on another turntable as it's possible that the cartridge/tonearm compliance are mismatched.
     
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  3. ngower

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    I would test to see if it happens with headphones plugged in and speakers off. If so, then it's likely some compliance issue. If not, then it's probably an isolation issue.
     
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  4. guanboots

    guanboots Madame Web Enthusiast

    Not for nothing, but I read some years back that reggae labels aren't exactly the best quality-wise. Is this still the case?
     
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  5. Bassist

    Bassist Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Excuse my ignorance but what would an isolation issue entail? Is this about vibration from the speakers impacting the turntable?
     
  6. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

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    Not true IME in general. What you’re referring to is probably reggae records pressed in Jamaica which can be problematic IMO. By the way I’m right now sitting down listening to Burning Spear and the Hail H.I.M. album, it’s a UK first pressing from 1980 and it sounds great to these ears. Great clear dynamic recording with deep well defined bass. A fantastic pressing.

    @Bassist
    Have you tried to adjust the VTF on your tonearm? What happens if you increase the VTF a bit closer to 1,75 g?
     
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  7. nosliw

    nosliw Delivering parcels throughout Teyvat! Meow~!

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    Yes, excess vibrations from the speakers or from other external factors (i.e., foot falls from walking around) cause records to skip. In addition, it would also affect the sound.
     
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  8. Bassist

    Bassist Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    That is a possibility for sure. Thanks.
     
  9. Bassist

    Bassist Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    My 70s JA pressings generally play fine as do the Greensleeves, Virgin, Island etc releases I have from the time. That said I have had issues with some recent reissues but more because they are mastered with the bass pushed to the edge of distortion rather than pressed badly. A couple of Keith Hudson reissues and a Max Romeo I bought in the last year or two fall into that category.
     
  10. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

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    Are the new pressings you’re having problems with reissues? Are they 180 g pressings?
     
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  11. ngower

    ngower Forum Resident

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    My thinking is that the extreme low end that accompanies reggae could be sending vibrations through the turntable and causing the cartridge to "jump" grooves.
     
  12. Malcolm Blackmoor

    Malcolm Blackmoor Forum Resident

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    I don't know whether this coincidence is useful but I have a similar issue when cars playing that kind of stuff very very loudly drive down my road. My entire house shakes and glasses in cupboards rattle.

    I realise I should have tried to stop them to ask details of their equipment but somehow neglected to do so, possibly owing to their excess speed and terrifying manner.
     
  13. Bassist

    Bassist Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Yes and sometimes. Always reissues. Also the Island Marley Rainbow double.
     
  14. Strat-Mangler

    Strat-Mangler Personal Survival Daily Record-Breaker

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    Is it possible that it's so groovy that the tonearm is dancing? :)
     
  15. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

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    I was thinking about 180 g records which are a bit thicker, try to adjust the VTF (vertical tracking force) as I suggested above closer to 1,75 g.
     
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  16. Thorensman

    Thorensman Forum Resident

    Maybe a basic issue.
    Test tracking with a test record.
    Don,t bust a gut trying to pass all tests.
    Band 2 on most records is ok.
    Especially test at end of record.
    Reason is that bass notes are wide and high in comparison to a triangle.
     
  17. McLover

    McLover Senior Member

    Are these Jamaican pressings? If so, buy a OM Pro or Reloop Black stylus and track it at 2-2.5 grams. Pro Tip for dodgy pressings (and Jamaican records are minefields).
     
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  18. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

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    Depends where they are made and how they are made. A lot of complaints have to do with JA-pressed vinyl, or records put out by dodgy reissue labels. Unfortunately bootlegs, counterfeits, and low-quality reissues are a thing with reggae records and you really have to know what you are buying.

    And yes, per other comments, reggae can be very bass heavy music and not all cartridges have good LF tracking ability. Feedback from a poorly isolated turntable where the speakers are too close to the TT can also be a problem with certain types of bass-heavy music, including reggae.
     
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  19. patient_ot

    patient_ot Senior Member

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    Agreed that rough records are best played with a DJ type cartridge.
     

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