Next Mofi SACD's are...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Claus, Jun 12, 2002.

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  1. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Petzi,

    That's still a far cry from what a DCC Bob Dylan: Highway 61 Revisited sealed would get. Do you get it yet?

    I could pull many, over $500.00 auctions with sealed long-box MFSL's, and aside from the "Samplers" the majority are Rock albums.;)
     
  2. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    Dave, Dave, Dave. What's wrong with a little Jazz? I know that you'd rather see some good 'ole Rock-n-Roll. I want some too. I think that you have underestimated the number of folks out there who are waiting for new audiophile jazz releases.

    OK, the numbers may not be as high for Sonny Rollins sales as they would for, say, Nirvana. But it's not the sales that count...it's the music.

    It's my opinion that jazz fans, in general, hold on to their music much longer than pop & rock fans. Just take a quick glance through the bins at your local used store.

    You mentioned the Coltrane MFSL...I can't remember even seeing one on eBay. Look at the jazz titles at eBay. Do a search under 'Mosaic', 'Blue Note Connoisseur', 'Japanese RVG'.

    Now let me ask you, what was it that doesn't command high-dollars?

    Cheer up! Steve just remastered CCR (classic RnR) for release on hybrid (no less) SACD. Things are looking up across the board and if we all wait patiently then the rewards are gonna be great.

    Oh, I need one of those Ellington 'Blues In Orbit' too if anyone will let one go for less than $40...
     
  3. Claus

    Claus Senior Member Thread Starter

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    Anyone would like to buy my complete DCC and MFSL collection on Gold???

    Just kidding... I will never sell my collection!!!
     
  4. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    Here's one...it's mine for now but I don't think it'll stay that way for long!

    Blues In Orbit
     
  5. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    The Art Pepper DCCs are really good, IMO. And you can pick them up cheap at Music-For-A-Song. You can't beat those prices for such wonderful music. Thanks goodness they don't cost $300 apiece! :rolleyes:
     
  6. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Alex, Alex, Alex, a little jazz is fine, no problem. But when it encompasses over 50% of a labels stock it gets to be too much.

    I understand that it is more economically viable to produce the less expensive jazz titles, but 5 jazz and no rock titles, just leaves a very sour taste in my mouth.

    From a business point of view, wouldn't it make more sense to give the public a killer selling rock album (PF, DSOTM) and have them overly eager for the next one and willing to spend the necessary dollars in obtaining it, as opposed to already audiophile released jazz and rock albums?

    I know that I for sure would readily pay $50-$55. for a gold CD ( be it SACD or even reg.) of the more expensive titles to release, as long as Steve did the re-mastering that is.;)
     
  7. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Re: Plenty O Expensive Jazz on Ebay

    aceman, how are you enjoying that MoFi BS&T I sent you the other month?


    By and large, the prices for some MFSL vinyl is pretty impressive, but when you consider that an original pressing of Saxophone Colossus rarely sells for under a grand, we're talking a whole different ball game.

    There have been numerous albums of all types of music, not just rock or jazz, that have commanded large sums, but the most I've seen personally was just over $8K for a Presley record about 2 Years ago.

    As for the announcement of the next two MoFi SACDs (yawn), at least the Rollins one isn't the recent +3 recording of the late 90's. Hot Buttered Soul won't be gracing my mail box either, so I'm still waiting for something worth buying from MoFi. Maybe Duke Ellington Meets Coleman Hawkins?
     
  8. sgb

    sgb Senior Member

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    Even if someone like MoFi or Analogue Productions COULD get a license to reissue DSOTM in the SACD format, I suspect the fees involved would have them charging you $500 - $750 a copy just to break even. Just a guess, but from what folks I know in the business tell me, it's about right.

    If APO or MoFi were to realease DSOTM in the SACD format, I would hope that their contract would specify that EMI would first have to declare OOP their own version, AND negotiate the rights to sell the product world wide. It would be financial suicide otherwise.
     
  9. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    Ditto! :D
     
  10. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Er...why is that? Have things changed *that* much from a few years ago? The old MoFi put out LP and CD versions of the title. Have licensing costs jumped that much?
     
  11. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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    The good news just keeps coming in!

    I couldn't be happier with these two titles. The more jazz the better AFAIC, and this is an extraordinary title. Even if the tapes aren't in the best shape, and the recording isn't the best, the music is timeless and it deserves to be done right on SACD. Bring it on.

    And this Isaac Hayes title will nicely augment the other R&B SACDs I enjoy: O'Jays--Ship Ahoy, Isley Bros--3+3, EW&F--All'n All and Gratitude.

    Bring 'em on!
     
  12. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Why is it "too much"?

    I'm sure to some jazz fans the fact that DCC did The Doors and Bob Dylan left a sour taste in their mouths. "We want more jazz, not this rock crap!"

    Hell, pretty much the only non-Jazz Fantasy has is CCR. Well, and the post 1968 Stax catalog, but... Is that "too much"?

    And, "Hot Buttered Soul" is rock/soul, not jazz.

    If MoFi wants to put out mostly jazz these days, so what? If they put out a good rock title, pick it up. Otherwise, let the jazz fans have their fun.
     
  13. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    Thanks all. I found one for $58 off of Amazon's zShops, incl shipping, sealed. Can't wait. :)
     
  14. GregM

    GregM The expanding man

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    As a bona fide jazz fan, I like that perspective, Luk.

    For one thing, jazz is frequently recorded with much greater care and attention to detail than rock. So audiophile labels (and let's face it--MFSL and DCC are audiophile labels) are a naturally good fit with jazz. Not to mention the musicianship on jazz albums is light years beyond what you hear on rock albums. Rock is great, but let's face it--the hype-meter is off the charts. The adolation and idolatry granted to white rock stars is totally undeserved. Meanwhile true music geniuses (and I don't use the term lightly) like Bud Powell lead tragic lives, die tragic deaths and never have their names mentioned or their records sold outside jazz circles.

    It wouldn't kill the rock-n-rollers in the house to develop jazz appreciation and admit that it's ok to have DCC and MoFi indulge in jazz remasters. Rant over.
     
  15. petzi

    petzi Forum Resident

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    That´s a cut-out.
     
  16. petzi

    petzi Forum Resident

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    I have the Art Peppers. I was lucky and placed my first DCC order with musicforasong.com over a year ago, when they had a lot more titles than now.
     
  17. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    For the record... I do own a lot of Jazz albums. Jazz has it's great points, but we seriously are lacking in quality R&R releases. Steve and DCC were the only ones to carry the ball past 1998.

    Sorry, but there have been far more Jazz releases over the last 4 years than R&R. When was the last time DCC released any truely great R&R (McCartney, Seger, Heart etc.)?

    GregM, "hyper-meter off the charts"? I do not call R&B, Rap, Hip-Hop, Divas, Grunge, Club etc. in the same category as R&R and those have been the Hype-Mongors for the last 10 years or so.

    You are simply stating your opinion, which is fine, but from a musicians point, I don't agree.;)
     
  18. martinimaster

    martinimaster New Member

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    What about Metalica , Tull, Cars, Van Halen Queen, Queensryche, Joni Mitchell. Set to go was Doors , Poison,and more that I can't say. Dcc was the premier audiophile company Don' forget about Sinatra,. Elvis. Everlys,
    Croce.
     
  19. martinimaster

    martinimaster New Member

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    The last Jazz release was about 1997.
     
  20. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    I'll probably get flamed for saying this but DCC has already remastered just about all of the great McCartney, Segar, Heart that there is. What's left?

    On the other hand...these are the definitive releases (face saving statement but true!).

    The SACD releases of CCR is the last time I hope to have to purchase these albums.....
     
  21. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

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    Blasphemous heathen! ;):D

    Surely, you can't be serious!?!?:rolleyes:
     
  22. Ronflugelguy

    Ronflugelguy Resident Trumpet Geek

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    I may like jazz as my first preference, but bring on the rock and roll, as i need to bolster this part of my collection. DCC Pink Floyd!!!!!!
     
  23. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    For the record let me expand my original statement. I am saying that in my humble opinion the best McCartney, Heart, & Segar titles have already been made definitive releases by DCC. I would be more than happy to see someone release, say, 'Pipes Of Peace', 'BeBe La Strange', "Give My Regards...", "Back To The Egg", etc. but the classic (again in my opinion) titles have already been covered by DCC and MFSL. Hope this make more sense!

    Damn, I am sure I'd spend my hard earned money on these titles too 'cause I love 'em about as much!

    The big compromise here would be Segar's 'Beautiful Loser' which someone needs to license and remaster properly and soon!

    Forgive me Dave for I have sinned....:D
     
  24. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

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    Has anyone heard anything new on these supposed releases coming from MoFi on SACD?
     
  25. vex

    vex New Member

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    I see this selling on eBay routinely for around $40.00 or less. The occassional "bidding frenzy" can sometimes take it up much higher, but that is the exception and not the norm.

    There is one seller that seems to have a freakin' crate of these discs and he has been doling them out a few at a time. He has recently raised his reserve, so we probably won't be seeing them in the $40.00 range anymore, probably more like $50.00. That is still a long way from $150.00.
     
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