Paul McCartney’s Lyrics-what happened?

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  1. Pawnmower

    Pawnmower Senior Member

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    It's apparently the only time British slang is unacceptable.
    God I'm sick of seeing "The Other Me" cried about.
     
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  2. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of eleven copies of Tug of War

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    Same here.
     
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  3. willwin

    willwin Forum Resident

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    The man was a poet
     
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  4. Autotune Sucks

    Autotune Sucks Forum Resident

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    Arbiter of truth...are we? We just have a vast difference of opinion on this subject, which is fine and what keeps good forums fueled. It's not a "right" or "wrong" issue.

    And I will happily stand corrected on your nationality or allegiance. Just unusual for an American to refer to other Americans as "U.S. People". But not worth firing word rockets over...
     
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  5. willwin

    willwin Forum Resident

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    Imagine no beef jerky...
     
  6. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of eleven copies of Tug of War

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    See, you do love the solo years - you've just paraphrased "C Moon"!

    ;)
     
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  7. bewareofchairs

    bewareofchairs Forum Resident

    I feel that way too. People always talk about how relatable John's music is, but I've only ever been able to see it as him dealing with his own specific issues, which is fine of course. Just not my cup of tea. With George I view his lyrics as being about how he's trying to improve himself but is always struggling with duality, which is something I think many can relate to. Even Paul when he wants to can be very good at conveying a personal feeling while making it broad enough where it had a bigger effect on me than John's lyrics have.

    One thing often misinterpreted about George's lyrics is what he meant by Living in the Material World:

    CRAWDADDY: What about your albums like, "Living In The Material World," the whole concept of maya. It’s so ironic that you got caught up in it.

    GEORGE: Oh yeah. I’m living in it. But people interpret it to mean money, cars, that sort of thing – although those are part of the material world. The material world is like the physical world, as opposed to the spiritual. For me, living in the material world just meant being in this physical body with all the things that go along with it.
     
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  8. beatlesfan9091

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    I've also heard that the line "Oklahoma was never like this" in the song Press refers to the musical Oklahoma!, with the idea that Paul is contrasting the difficulties of his and Linda's marriage with the relationships presented in the musical (which I have never seen, so I have no idea what the plot is or anything like that).
     
  9. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of eleven copies of Tug of War

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    It is! I read that in Club Sandwich.
     
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  10. bewareofchairs

    bewareofchairs Forum Resident

    Pretty much every historical figure who has been put on a pedestal falls under at least two of those categories though. MLK for example cheated on his wife several times. Humans are complicated, but I don't think that means their messages are any less worthwhile. If George made absolutely no effort to practice what he preached then I'd agree, but he did take spirituality seriously, took the time to put on the Concert For Bangladesh, tried not to get too drawn into being a rock star, and donated a lot of his money to charities and friends in need. Profits from the Living in the Material World album itself go towards the Material World Foundation.
     
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  11. tages

    tages Senior Member

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    A 77 year old man who continues doing 3 hour shows around the globe and writing, recording and releasing new albums.

    I suspect he’s a harder worker than many of us here!
     
  12. bob60

    bob60 Forum Resident

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    And let's not forget that he's better paid than any of us here for sure....
     
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  13. Diamond Star Halo

    Diamond Star Halo Forum Resident

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    Fair enough. I suppose I just have a problem with being preached at. Particularly when it comes to something as joyful as music.
     
  14. tkl7

    tkl7 Agent Provocateur

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    No, he's writing for other geriatrics who drag their kids along to the concerts.
     
  15. Wildest cat from montana

    Wildest cat from montana Humble Reader

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    Oh ! I wasn't aware of that 'lyric'.
     
  16. Wildest cat from montana

    Wildest cat from montana Humble Reader

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    This is slightly off-topic but bear with me...
    There's a fairly recent video on YouTube where Macca is talking about some of his most "iconic" songs. When he speaks about Let it Be , he says it was inspired by him seeing his mother in a dream where she told him to " let it be ". I am sure I read somewhere that he originally said it was Mal Evans who appeared in the dream saying those words.
     
  17. mbleicher1

    mbleicher1 Tube Amp Curmudgeon

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    I think when people dismiss "Mother" as "John screaming about his problems," they say more about themselves than they do about the music. It's one thing to say you find Plastic Ono Band difficult or unpleasant, but characterizing it as "screaming about problems" suggests a refusal even to understand the intent behind the art. Opinions about art made without trying to understand the art itself are a special kind of useless.
     
  18. mbleicher1

    mbleicher1 Tube Amp Curmudgeon

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    No. In a 1969 recording session, he jokingly says "Brother Malcolm comes to me."
     
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  19. RedRoseSpeedway

    RedRoseSpeedway Music Lover

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    John was way more preachy. He wrote Imagine for heavens sake!
     
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  20. MPLRecords

    MPLRecords Owner of eleven copies of Tug of War

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    I understand John's intent: to bare his soul within his art, which was inspired by his primal therapy. It doesn't change the fact that "Mother" and songs like it are:
    a) John screaming
    and
    b) about John's problems
     
  21. jfire

    jfire Forum Resident

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    Yes, but it all breaks down when it's time to do lyrics. He's extremely capable of writing good-to-great ones, but seldom can be bothered. So many excellent Macca melodies have been sabotaged by substandard words.
     
  22. peteham

    peteham Senior Member

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    This is such a tired trope.
     
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  23. RedRoseSpeedway

    RedRoseSpeedway Music Lover

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    Thanks guys! I’ve been wondering forever what that line meant. I thought maybe Paul was unusually very fond of OK as a state or something! Haha
     
  24. peteham

    peteham Senior Member

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    It’s the brazen ignorance displayed when it’s cited, that causes the irritation.
     
  25. Crimson Witch

    Crimson Witch Roll across the floor thru the hole & out the door

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    On the one hand, “Come On To Me” is
    just Paul being Paul - no different than
    when Beatles were a band. It's no
    "Eleanor Rigby", but then it's not exactly
    "Birthday" or "All Together Now" is it ?
    (see what I did there?:p)

    On the other hand, it is fair to say we
    may never get another Eleanor Rigby,
    simply because that song was written
    by a 24 year-old musician in the year
    1966, and “Come On To Me” by a 76
    year-old in the year 2018.

    I saw an interview recently with
    Bob Dylan in which Bob was asked
    if he could still write a song like
    "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding)".
    Bob contemplated carefully, as if
    searching deep to find even a
    glimmer of possibility that he perhaps
    could still write like that. Within a
    few seconds however, he soberly
    conceded with the most honest
    answer anyone could possibly offer :
    "No", he stated flatly. Deliberating
    further he continued, "I can do other

    things, but I can't do that." He knows
    that as each of us moves through the
    stages of life, we see things differently,
    we feel things differently, and we know
    things differently. We can't return, we
    can only look behind from where we
    came.
     
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