Hum... I'm beginning to think my "Fame EMI" pressing of Wings Wild Life has pre-emphasis. My version of EAC cannot detect PE, so I'm going by hear. What do you think? First is the straight copy of the Wild Life track, then the version with de-emphasis applied. http://rapidshare.com/files/408293972/04._Wings_-_Wild_Life.flac http://rapidshare.com/files/408293973/04._Wings_-_Wild_Life__DeEmph_.flac
For the list above, my copy of the New Order disc (Low Life, FACD100) is labelled "Made in Japan" and has Japanese script in the inner ring.
Definitely possible (even likely/probable) IMO. EQ analysis of de-emphed file shows about a 1/5-1 db increase in bass frequencies, and a dramatic 6-7 db decrease in treble frequencies...
I agree -- the sibilants and cymbals are painfully brittle on the non-de-emphasized version. Any chance you could download an earlier EAC and check for the PRE flag that way? Either way, if you could post the catalog and matrix numbers of your version that'd be really helpful.
I can't check with EAC, having no PC near hand. I really think it has Pre-Emph. It would sound pretty weird for a "standard" CD. Wings - Wild Life - Fame EMI Made in W-Germany CD-FA 3101, matrix: SONOPRESS B-9590/CDM 7520172 A The CD lalso has an incorrect SPARS code [DDD].
I'm trying it at the moment with the old EAC 0.95 prebeta 3 (which is able to detect PRE in the subcodes - and did for my Genesis, Ultravox, Richie and McCartney). But a problem I wasn't aware of: it doesn't detect any CD in Windows 7. I'm checking the compatibility modes now. Does anyone have a solution??? I don't think my PC rip of the FAME Wild Life sounds like Preemphasis, but I'm very curious to check the CD... Martin
why someone added the creative sounds black sabbath s/t as "Creative Sounds S/T" instead of adding under Black Sabbath i'll never know also side note... on drives not detecting preemphasis accurately my NEC ND-2510A returns a no for all discs tested (including creative sounds black sabbath s/t) my ASUS CD-S480/AH returns a yes for all discs tested (including some that i know damn well have no PE... i'm sure it's safe to say the AF Lynyrd Skynyrd - Second Helping has no PE) Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 New Order - Low Life - Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
I've loaded the list into a table on my CD wiki. It's sortable and I'm trying to include more details, including matrix codes, where the PRE flag actually appears on the disc (TOC and/or audio subcodes), and exceptions where necessary.
I like this idea. Just saw this thread: http://stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?p=971974#post971974
Finally, my EAC 0.95 pb3 works with Windows 7. The result for Wings Wild Life (CD-FA 3101 CDM 7 52017 2): Matrix Number is: CDM 7 52017 2 AR 3:1:3 EMI Swindon definitely no preemphasis! I've used the "detect TOC manually" option, which still detects "Pipes of Peace" and "Genesis s/t" correctly. As expected, they sound exactly the same on my system, when played back with my Pioneer CD-Player or from ripped FLAC with WinAmp. Martin
My pressing is made in W-Germany by Sonopress... maybe they screwed up the PE tag. Anyway, I'm positive my CD needs de-emphasis. Could you please upload the first minute of Wild Life (track 4) like I did to compare the sound?
I'm just downloading your original file to check if it is identical. But what does your CD-Player do with this disc?? Can't you compare if sounds like your filtered or your unfiltered file? Martin
As expected, our discs are digitally identical. The drums are on the bright side here, of course.... but apart from that I've always understood why this CD is a forum favourite. And as there are no PE flags, me and at least a lot of the others never listened to it through such a fliter. All the real PE-albums I own sound are lot more shrill undecoded... Martin
My CD player (Cambridge 640C v2) does not do De-Emphasis, so I have to decode all my PE CDs with a computer. I still think they forgot to put the PE flag in the TOC when pressing the disc. The sound has an insane amount of air and top end without DE. But I agree, this CD sounds incredible DE or not!
For your consideration, track 3 Love Is Strange, straight from the Fame EMI disc, and then with De-Emphasis applied: http://rapidshare.com/files/408971273/Love_Is_Strange.flac http://rapidshare.com/files/408971274/Love_Is_Strange_-_De-Emph.flac Files can only be downloaded 10 times...
Does anyone have a different Wild Life that they can compare to the FLACs Plan9 is posting? That would nail it down pretty definitively, I think.
I've got one addition from my CD's. Deep Purple - Machine Head - CDP 7 46242 2 - EMI UK EAC tells me right away in the start that the CD has pre-emp, if that's needed info. I didn't know for sure my CD was original EMI from 1986, but I guess it is from those years since it has pre-emphasis. Code: Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Deep Purple - Machine Head - CDP 7 46242 2 - EMI UK Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 New Order - Low Life - Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
What matrix code? EMI is known to have released multiple masterings of some titles under a single catalog number.
"CDP 7-46242-2. @ 1:3:3.R", that's all what's printed in the matrix. I've tried to google it a few times but I've never managed to get more info of my copy.
