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Rhino Remixes "Chicago Transit Authority" for 50th Anniversary

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by arob71, Jun 26, 2019.

  1. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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  2. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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    Don't know what happened in the last post. Here it comes again:

    Yes, there's a significant gain in clarity, colour and definition. No question asked. Completely different animal.
    Still, there is quite an amount of urgency and flow lost when the bridge kicks in (listen in both clips from 0:55).
    The remix sounds lame in comparison.

    I compared with this clip with headphones, difference is less clear over my laptop speakers.:
     
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  3. folkfreak

    folkfreak Forum Resident

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    I don't hear that and I also don't share your opinion with Benefit.
     
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  4. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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    Frankfurt, Germany
    Well,
    yeah...,
     
  5. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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    Frankfurt, Germany
    I'm just listening to Bayou Country from the Universal box.
    Now THAT'S what I call a mastering approach.
    If Benefit sounded like this, I'd burn my creamy German...
     
  6. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

    Location:
    Frankfurt, Germany
    It's me again.
    For Aqualung I compared my original UK Chrysalis CD to the Wilson vinyl and I can only say I prefer the CD.
    I heard Aqualung, the song.
    Sure, more clarity, more bass in the remix.
    But I found the acoustic guitar more naturalistic on the CD.
    The part with the processed vocal has a nice aura of reverb that's almost completely gone in the remix.
    The same effect but even worse in the break before the guitar solo. After the instruments stopped, during his 'didididiii', on CD you hear a very, very beautiful, multicoloured reverb, first swelling, getting bigger and then kind of vaporizing away. That's nonexistent on the remix.
    And the guitar solo in the remix sounds as if it came directly from the multitrack and needed some tweaking and mixing. You can say that's my subjective perception, alright. But what you can hear is, that it's way too prominent in the mix now. It overshadows the nice balancing rhythm of piano, bass and drums.

    My Wilson Chicago is in the mail to me.
    But do yourself a favour if you really care, buy this cheap Aqualung CD and listen.
     
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  7. folkfreak

    folkfreak Forum Resident

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    I don't need to buy it as I have it and that original mix was the reason I didn't listen very often to the album.
    I can clearly read through your lines that you have an aversion to remixes so do yourself a favour and don't buy them in the first place.
     
  8. bRETT

    bRETT Forum Resident

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    XI is a real anomaly with only one Cetera song and vocal.They really made albums according to whoever had songs at the time.
     
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  9. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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    This is exactly my point:
    You're missing the point.

    I'm big into the Beatles. I own all titles in multiple original forms, but I really dig the remasters and I really like all the remixes.
    And I'm looking forward to the Let it Be remix.
    And, as I already wrote, I like the Astley-mix of Who's Next.

    So, what exactly was it you found so clearly in my post about my aversion to remixes?

    No, it's just that I'm a bit disappointed over the results in the Tull-Wilsons, especially after all the praise his work received here.

    It's shiny and voluminous and once in a while I like to listen to some details I missed in the original.
    You can tap your feet to it and enjoy the impact or detail or whatever.

    But it's superficial or even speechless when it comes to the inherent magic of these records.
    Listen to this break before the Guitar solo.
    This aura was sooo beautiful when I heard it yesterday.
    Full, rich, colourful. Expanding and, at the same time, dissolving.
    Pure analog bliss.

    And with how the guitar solo is lying in the mix, or rather dominating it, the new mix runs the risk of being revisionistic and tendentious.

    And revisionistic the Wilson crowd can be, with statements like '...the original can finally be shelved'.
    That concerns me a lot.

    You get my drift?

    You have the CD?
    Dare to listen to it.
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2021
  10. woodyfan

    woodyfan Forum Resident

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    Stimmt! Nur Schrecklich, diese.
     
  11. woodyfan

    woodyfan Forum Resident

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    I'm a fellow spirit for that track. And yeah, despite the remix being overall a hideous mess, you do get more Danny Seraphine on this one.
     
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  12. woodyfan

    woodyfan Forum Resident

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    Great. Now if only the final product didn't sound exactly the opposite of this description.
     
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  13. xj32

    xj32 Forum Resident

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    Wait...is this even still a thing?

    This “re-mix” makes Metallica “Death Magnetic” sound like Steely Dan by comparison...
     
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  14. woodyfan

    woodyfan Forum Resident

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  15. Grant

    Grant Just chillin'!

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    We all tried to warn you...
     
  16. 905

    905 Senior Member

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    Some of the complaints on Amazon says this remix makes it sound mono. If so that could be an appeal to some.
     
  17. RogerE

    RogerE Rambo, the world famous squirrel, says yeah!

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    Frankfurt, Germany
    My Wilson CD arrived and compared to the 2 eye I'd go for the Wilson this time.
    It sounds a bit too cold or too hard sometimes, some lame sounds here and there and still a bit funny sounding drums, if you ask me.
    Compared to the original 2 eye CTA it's still soso, but I'd say that's because of a bad recording.
    Sounds like they unsuccessfully tried to tweak the original to cover up for that.
     
  18. Chest Pains Productions

    Chest Pains Productions Forum Resident

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  19. dkurtis

    dkurtis sonofthefather

    Did I see it right, that Rhino is releasing the Chicago Live at Carnegie Hall with yet again Jessup's involvement? :yikes:
     
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  20. sbsugar

    sbsugar Representing Benton County since 2010

  21. dkurtis

    dkurtis sonofthefather

    "Chicago founding member and trumpeter Lee Loughnane and engineer Tim Jessup spent nearly a year meticulously going through more than 40 concert tapes at Loughnane’s new studio in Arizona to remaster each concert."

    Not only NO but HELL NO! :cussing:
     
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  22. Grant

    Grant Just chillin'!

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    I'm convinced Lee and Tim are both legally deaf, if there is such a thing.
     
  23. jason202

    jason202 Forum Resident

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  24. dance_hall_keeper

    dance_hall_keeper Forum Resident

    Why would I buy something that I’m not interested in in the first place, just to compare the comments provided in this Thread, only to come away from the experience just shaking my head?
     
  25. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Because that's what we do here.
     
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