Rock and Roll Hall Fame Class of 2020 is...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by ModernDayWarrior, Jan 15, 2020.

  1. Man at C&A

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    That's a good point, which I admit I didn't think of. I don't think Aretha's particularly rock 'n' roll but she had so much soul and blues. It's not easy to neatly define what is rock 'n' roll and what isn't, but the contribution and influence from black musicians and culture can't be overemphasised. It would be great if early pioneers like Louis Jordan and Big Joe Turner could be recognised.
     
  2. Man at C&A

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    As acknowledged in the post above, I agree. Soul also has its roots around the same time as the birth of rock 'n' roll.
     
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  3. KJTC

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    You’re the one doing that by claiming the rock format is the same thing as rock & roll. It’s not.
     
  4. pghmusiclover

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    Never a punchline? Really? "Crack is whack" anyone? Her reality series with her beloved husband.

    I think the thing that bugs me about her getting in is that since apparently the RRHOF can only select ONE female artist, this year it should have been Benatar. And I think Chaka (with or without Rufus) was deserving on all of her previous nominations.
     
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  5. Fusionfan

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    The fact that rock subsequently became a genre played by far more whites than blacks in North America doesn't give you license to change the genre by fiat so that you can have more blacks represented. It's no different that changing what country music or jazz is because there aren't 'enough' Asians in their halls of fame.

    Black musicians in North America went into a lot of other areas and created wonderful music but it doesn't mean that they get a free pass into a genre-specific hall of fame because you want to see more blacks there.

    The fact that some people even think this is an argument is sheer lunacy.
     
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  6. Fusionfan

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    Nonsense. I never said Iron Maiden or Led Zeppelin should define all rock music but they have much more to do with rock than Whitney Houston.

    I am claiming that hard rock and other genres have been a huge part of rock for decades (sales, concerts, people who also call themselves rock musicians emulating them around the entire world) and yet are poorly represented in the Hall whereas loads of musicians who had nothing to do with rock at all are inducted with people like you making risible excuses for it.

    It's truly amazing that there are people who are willing to argue that Whitney Houston belongs in a rock hall of fame of any kind more than bands who actually played rock around the world for decades.
     
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  7. Man at C&A

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    I take it that there are plenty of soul singers in the rock 'n' roll hall of fame? I hope so! If there isn't then I certainly don't think Whitney is worthy of being one of the first handful.

    Etta James was very rock 'n' roll.
     
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  8. zen

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    RANT from Pete Pardo....

     
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  9. Terrapin Station

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    First inductees would have to be the Michael Stanley Band
     
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  10. Curveboy

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    Not rock. Not deserving.
     
  11. BroJB

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    The most amazing thing about this thread is that so many life long rock fans have so many utterly divergent definitions of what rock actually is.

    For me, it's somewhere between "must be dudes playing electric guitars' and "literally anything with a 4/4 beat".

    But even I don't know at this point. Except that I know it when I hear it.

    And Whitney, bless her talented soul, just ain't it.
     
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  12. KJTC

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    Your insistence that today’s rock radio formats encompass all that is rock & roll doesn’t hold water.
     
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  13. Herman Schultz

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    Do you think James Brown, Ray Charles, Al Green, Otis Redding, Sam Cooke and Aretha Franklin are Rock 'n' Roll artists?
     
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  14. Fusionfan

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    It's not that there are divergent views on what rock is, it's that there's a group of people who would make virtually all 20th century popular music in the Anglosphere 'rock' when it is convenient for whatever decision the 'Rock' Hall takes and in line with their own ideological agenda.

    No history of rock, no encyclopedia, no wikipedia entry etc speaks of Biggie or Whitney Houston as being rock or even having anything beyond the faintest of connections to rock any more than anyone speaks of Iron Maiden having a connection to hip hop or r and b.
     
  15. BroJB

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    Kraftwerk is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

    Chew on that while we debate the relative merits of Whitney Houston's induction.

    Carry on....
     
  16. PhilBorder

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    not that it matters but.... no Guess Who? still? I move that they replace Billy Joel, retroactively instated and celebrated at every ceremony for the next five years.
     
  17. Fusionfan

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    No and they aren't. They have impacted some rock artists but they themselves are not rock artists. No one in his right mind would call James Brown or Al Green rock.
     
  18. KJTC

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    Soul inductees include:
    • Ray Charles
    • Aretha Franklin
    • Sam Cooke
    • Fats Domino
    • Marvin Gaye
    • The Supremes
    • The Drifters
    • The Temptations
    • Stevie Wonder
    • Otis Redding
    • The Four Tops
    • Ike & Tina Turner
    • The Isley Brothers
    • Sly & The Family Stone
    • Etta James
    • Martha and the Vandellas
    • Al Green
    • The Shirelles
    • Gladys Knight & The Pips
    • Parliament-Funkadelic
    • The Jackson Five
    • The Staples Singers
    • Percy Sledge
    • The O’Jays
    • The Miracles
    • Bill Withers
     
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  19. vertigone

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    That's not going to happen. The R&R Hall has tickets to sell to the ceremony, and HBO wants viewers. If they only induct the backlog of (debatably worthy) dinosaurs, only a small amount of people will give a damn. It's easy to see that the inductees cover a broad spectrum stylistically and generationally on purpose, this ensures the biggest attendance/viewership.

    OF COURSE Kraftwerk deserves to be in before Depeche Mode and NIN, but the HOF knows Kraftwerk's not going to put asses in the seats. That said, DM and NIN are absolutely worthy inductees on their own merits.
     
  20. Herman Schultz

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    Louis Jordan and Big Joe Turner are both in the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame.
     
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  21. Fusionfan

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    What a huge majority of rock listeners actually think rock is does matter. Whitney Houston hasn't belonged on any kind of rock format and that spans the gamut from rockabilly, metal, prog, punk, stoner rock, classic rock etc. It's not just about your classic rock strawman.
     
  22. Terrapin Station

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    Streisand was big with a young demographic (though not the rock crowd) in the 70s and early 80s--she concentrated on more contemporary pop, occasionally even with funk touches. She was in a couple extremely popular films, including the 70s version of A Star Is Born, which was as popular, and with a similar demographic, as the recent Lady Gaga version. She did some disco stuff, she had a huge hit collaboration with Barry Gibb, etc.

    She decided to stop concentrating so much on courting younger folks in the mid 80s, starting with The Broadway Album--that was a return to much more traditional material with the benefit of increasing her appeal to a more stable, older, affluent audience. Young demographics tend to be fickle.
     
  23. Man at C&A

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    What marvellous list of artists. The rock 'n' roll hall of fame is clearly incorporating soul so Whitney doesn't seem like such a strange inclusion in that context. I wouldn't say The Supremes and Gladys Knight and the Pips were any more rock 'n' roll and I love them dearly.

    Still, why the hell are Motörhead not in?!
     
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  24. Herman Schultz

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    I'd argue it's a more obvious throughline.
     
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  25. Terrapin Station

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    Umm, what?
     

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