Rock and Roll Hall Fame Class of 2020 is...

Understood on the influencer perspective, but on a broad definition they are more rock & roll than some acts already in, such as JT and, I would argue, Whitney. If NKC is in FS should be in. I wouldn’t throw any act in, but Sinatra is one of the most important, if not the most important, artists of the 20th century. The AC were very much a substantial act, not average or well-known, but enormously popular and still influential.

Don’t they already have a one-hit wonder wing lol ?

 

Sure, I agree with SC being in.

 

So if Scotland gets their own parliament (again) then they shouldn't get to send members to Westminster too?

 

I prefer Sade too. Wouldn’t put either in, but would support PB, Kate Bush, Bjork and Siouxsie.

 

Don't know what all the initials stand for. Also don't get the reference to "one hit wonder" wing? Who does that refer to?

 

I think political talk is strictly forbidden here.

 

It's a cupboard

 

Didn't mean it to be about the specifics of Scots nationalism, but an analogy regarding structure, perhaps too attenuated to be helpful. Pretty sure people here generally care more about who's in the rock hall than who's in the House, Edinburgh v. Westminster... Maybe I should've used a Venn diagram?

 

Isn't that kind of how the newly created singles category is working?

 

James Taylor/Nat King Cole/Frank Sinatra

They are inducting “singles” now. Yes, it’s idiotic.

 

It's a silly analogy, because it forces you to take the ridiculous position that every doo wop group belongs in the RnR HOF. I was trying to give you an easy way out.

 

No, it just means doo wop groups, if the're good enuff, may belong in the RHOF regardless of whether there's also a doo wop hall.

 

I have no problem with a recognition of a few doo wop groups who were highly influential to the development of rock and roll. I believe many of them are already in. And there's also a Doo Wop HOF. So my original points stand.

 

Good one, @Mylene ~ So Funny (& true!)

 

I'm hoping that with Roxy Music and T. Rex that maybe Kate's chances are slightly more likely. Although her reluctance to travel and perform means she'd likely be a no-show and even if she did show up, I doubt she'd perform given I remember all the hype that she was going to perform at the 2012 Olympics and then nothing

 

You don't think Madonna and Janet belong in the Rock Hall... but Andrews Sisters and Ravi Shankar do.

 

I think JJ is pretty awful and her music has aged badly. I don’t like Madonna either. Maybe you could make a case for Madonna, she has a much more significant catalog. I wouldn’t put either in. AS and RS can both go in under “influences” category along with Stockhausen, as opposed to the performers category.

 

I mean, maybe you could make a case for the most successful female artist of all time. Maybe.

 

It's really not that complicated. Can you tell the history of pop/rock music and completely leave out Madonna? If the answer is "no", of course shes in. If you can seriously answer "yes" to that question, you're deluding yourself.

 

Trent Reznor/NIN for the win. Well done and congrats!

 

Rock ? Yes and not at all delusional. Pop ? Of course not.

However, by that criteria it’s sacrilegious not to include Sinatra. And you’d have to include many other artists and individuals if you’re using a broad historicity perspective. Besides, there are numerous histories with biases. How could one write a serious history of rock without mention of John Peel or Kraftwerk or The Pixies ? Yet, none of them are in.

I’d grant you could make a case for Madonna. I’d just change the name to The Popular Music HOF.

 

Lame tired argument. Did you read through this thread? The RnR HOF just doesn't induct "rock" artists. They have been inducting artists from all aspects of the rock and roll spectrum since day 1. R&B, soul, pop, blues, funk, country rock, and all variations and forms of pop/rock music. Nothing new. Try to catch up and don't get yer knickers so twisted up over dogmatic categories.

 

I’m arguing for including Sinatra, Peel, Kraftwerk and The Pixies. You prefer Madonna. That’s fine.

They have not been inducting artists from all aspects of rock & roll. They have neglected prog, heavy metal, country/country rock, alternative, Brit/power pop, and other areas. They have inducted a grand total of two blues artists as influencers in the past 25 years. They include Biggie Smalls as a first ballot inductee yet neglect Arthur Crudup, Son House, Lonnie Smith and others.

Not twisted at all - people do argue from time to time on forums. That is, after all, one of the points of forums. Some people enjoy arguing pros and cons and making lists and such. I personally find the RRHOF amusing in it’s incongruities.

The early years weren’t like this - the acts included that weren’t rock were influential on rock & roll or crossover acts. But then there was mission creep and that’s no longer the case and there was also a lowering of standards that was transparently a form of favoritism or crass commercialism. Now all kinds of fans are upset that their favorites aren’t in - The Monkees, Cher, Olivia Newton John, and others, whether they deserve to be or not. The HOF has no focus. It is meaningless and without standards. Bon Jovi is in, which is akin to including Kenny G in a jazz hall of fame. It’s actually laughable in a Horatian kind of way.

 

I never said I "prefer" Madonna to anyone, much less Sinatra. Don't be ridiculous. I said I fully understand why Madonna is in the RnR HOF. I'm not going to lose any sleep over Sinatra not being in the HOF. He's a legend of the 20th century, one of the greatest singers of all time, but he was most prominent in a music form that was not RnR. His music doesn't mean any less because he's not in as a performer or early influencer of rock and roll. You're taking this stuff way too seriously.

 

Fair enough and not serious at all. Fully understand why she might be in, just don’t agree with it. Back in the day when some of us were listening to rock we were also listening to the blues and classical and electronica and jazz and reggae and even some rap and a little country. Not Madonna though.