Schiitt SYS question*

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by blacklava, Feb 5, 2020.

  1. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I would like to ask you guys a suggestion:

    I currently own a Schiit Mani (phono preamp) and a Schiit Modi Multibit (DAC) that I connect to a Schiit Magni 3, using the magni preamp out to feed my active speakers (yamaha HS7).
    So when I want to listen a vinyl vs digital, I have to switch the cables that goes to the magni.
    To avoid that I'm thinking about buying a Schiit SYS.

    Anyone that own/have owned it?

    Also: as I’m not using the magni headphones out lately but just the magni preamp out to my active speakers, would it be better to introduce the sys before the magni and than use the magni outs, or just exclude the magni and go out directly from the sys to the active speakers (in terms of sound quality) ?
     
  2. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
  3. patient_ot

    patient_ot Forum Resident

    Location:
    USA
    For this issue I would contact Schiit and see what they recommend.

    I never owned a SYS, but I did own a Modi 2U and a Mani for awhile. I sold both pieces.

    Back when I had an active speaker based system, I used a cheap 3 way A/V switcher box to switch between sources and controlled the active speaker volume from the speaker. Even though the switcher box was very cheap, it did not introduce extra noise that was audible.

    Nowadays I use a traditional passive speaker based system with an integrated amp. My integrated has several inputs, so no messing with switcher boxes for inputs anymore.
     
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  4. Limelakephoto

    Limelakephoto Forum Resident

    Location:
    Oshawa Ont. Canada
    A sys will do the trick. No sound quality loss. I have one. No issues.
     
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  5. Bill

    Bill Senior Member

    Location:
    Eastern Shore
    I also have a SYS and use it to switch a center channel speaker from a TV optical output through an inexpensive DAC or from a 5.1 output from a sound system for surround SACDs, DVD-As and Blu-rays. It is very simple but, for the price, performs absolutely flawlessly.
     
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  6. bever70

    bever70 It's all about the soundstage

    Location:
    Belgium
    You could get a Schiit Saga preamp, 5 inputs to connect your mani and modi...2 outputs : 1 to drive your active speakers, and the other one to your magni for your headphones. Seriously good piece of schiit, the Saga !
     
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  7. luckyno13

    luckyno13 Forum Resident

    Location:
    London UK
    Another vote for the Saga (+) here if the budget allows.
     
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  8. rischa

    rischa Forum Resident

    Location:
    Madison, WI
    I've been researching Schiit preamps recently and found this shoot-out on the SBAF forum. It compares Freya, Saga, and Sys, and Sys actually comes out on top. Pretty interesting. I've read similar positive impressions of the Sys on other forums, too. You almost can't afford not to buy it at $49.
     
  9. crazy eights

    crazy eights Truckstop lovechild

    Location:
    new york
    what would anyone think about using the sys to switch 2 turntables thru a phono amp?
     
  10. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    Would indeed really like to try a SAGA+, or even a Freya+, but prices here in Italy for Schiit stuff is quite high (Saga+ is 450 € for example, the SYS is 80 €...). Do you think I could hear an improvement considering my active speakers are cheap (yamaha HS7) ?
     
  11. luckyno13

    luckyno13 Forum Resident

    Location:
    London UK
    I think it depends if you want the option of the remote and the ability to use the tube buffer.
    The difference between passive and tube is very audible imo with the new Tung Sol valve that the current model comes with.

    Also the solid state Saga is cheaper if you don't want the valve thing but still want a remote.
     
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  12. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I ended up pulling the trigger with the SAGA +, the italian dealer for Schiit had no SYS available but have a Saga+, so I decided myself also in view of future upgrades in the next years (Vidar and passive speakers, a Bifrost maybe).
    Can't wait to try it! I'll give some feedbacks soon.
     
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  13. unsane69

    unsane69 Active Member

    Location:
    Denmark
    I had a Saga, before there were 2 kinds. It was excellent; you'd be hard pressed to do better for the price + tube rolling is fun and cheap when you only need one. Upgraded to a Freya+ and love it.
     
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  14. vinylsolution

    vinylsolution Forum Resident

    Location:
    Denver, CO, USA
    You made the right choice.
    I tried a Sys (for 2 turntables) and it was horrible experience.
    Schiit said they don't recommend them for turntables (you'll get a lot of hum),
    "Honestly though the Sys really isn’t suited for that kind of use, it really is intended for line level signals. We can’t guarantee it will work in that configuration." - Schiit support
    Returned it.
    I have a Saga/Vidar/Mani stack now, very happy with it. Abandoned the 2 tables on a switch idea, just plug/unplug when I need to change.
     
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  15. bever70

    bever70 It's all about the soundstage

    Location:
    Belgium
    I honestly wouldn't know if you would hear a difference. The Saga has more inputs should you need them later, 2 outputs and remote control. Before the Saga I had another passive preamp, that might suit you, it is also a lot cheaper than the Saga (price is 149£) : the Tisbury Audio Passive Preamp, it has 3 inputs and also 2 outputs. No remote control though. The lack of remote control and the fact that I needed more inputs made me change it for the Saga, otherwise it was just as transparent at the time in my system. And it even has dipswitches at the bottom giving you the opportunity to attenuate the incoming signals should you want to.
    They were very helpfull when I contacted them by mail.
    Tisbury Audio - Mini Passive Preamplifier
     
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  16. aphexacid

    aphexacid Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Chicago
    I had a sys for 1 day before I sent it back. All I wanted was a simple switch for my turntable and CD player on my receiver. The sys lets you do that, but it lowered the amount of volume that was passing through. I tested it quite a few times and even took a video I sent them.

    In the end I bought an old mechanical switcher by radio shack from the 90’s. It works perfectly. I don’t hear any quality loss, and definitely no volume loss.

    YMMV
     
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  17. bever70

    bever70 It's all about the soundstage

    Location:
    Belgium
    Looks like my suggestion of the cheaper Tisbury Passive preamp, (see post above), came too late. You move quickly :D! Congrats on the Saga, a good upgrade with regards to any possible future changes in your system!
     
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  18. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    ahah yes, indeed the tisbury looked interesting! I’m on the schiit products addiction lately, so I was biased towards their stuff...I’m slowly creating my own “modular” system (started 6 years ago), really digging the whole concept of having dedicated units and for sure the Saga+ is my most expensive purchase so far. Hopefully it will be a keeper.
     
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  19. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I received the Saga+ and connected to my system. Luckly I got the latest version with the 6SN7 Tung Sol and the alluminum remote. Really enjoying his sonic timbre, sounds great with both Mani/Vm95ml, and modi multibit. It gives to the sound a very subtle warmth and body, keeping clarity and detail. In particular I find digital sounds less fatiguing and enjoyable, it's like the music is more stable and balanced, even at low volumes (and that's great because I suffer tinnitus and hyperacusis...).
    The remote control from the armchair is a plus for sure!

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  20. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    to the ones that owned/own a Saga (@bever70 , @vinylsolution, @unsane69 ?)

    One small downside is that now I have a slight buzz/hum coming from the active speakers; there was some hum even before the saga, but now it's increased, expecially on the right speaker. Nothing serious as I can't hear that while playing stuff, but still. Do you guys noticed that too? The speakers are connected with a cheap RCA to TS 1/4 cables, do you think I could reduce the hum with better cables?
     
  21. bever70

    bever70 It's all about the soundstage

    Location:
    Belgium
    I don't have active speakers. When I switch on the tube and press my ear against the woofers I hear a very slight buzz ( I wouldn't even call it a hum) with volume at very high levels and no music playing of course. Switching the tube off and this disappears. Sitting in my listening spot, volume turned all the way up (no music) I cannot hear it. Maybe try some other(better shielded) cables ?
     
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  22. unsane69

    unsane69 Active Member

    Location:
    Denmark
    Wouldn't know honestly. I'm using a NAD 272 poweramp, that has always had a very faint hum with 3 different pre's; a NAD, Saga OG, and Freya +. When I upgrade to Aegir I could tell you, it will be a while though.
    I'd check with Schiit though, if it bothers you enough...
     
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  23. vinylsolution

    vinylsolution Forum Resident

    Location:
    Denver, CO, USA
    My Vidar/Saga with my Quad 11L2's is dead quiet thankfully! I did the same 'test' as @bever70, and hear nothing.
    Good luck with the troubleshooting @blacklava, hopefully you can quell it, hums drive me crazy!
     
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  24. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I'm good with hum in the end, what really drove me crazy was inner groove distortion on LPs :crazy:
     
  25. blacklava

    blacklava Active Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Italy
    I would try with better shielded cables but sadly the choice ins't obvious cause there aren't many options available for rca to TS 1/4 cables (at least to common sources like amazon). I should use an rca-rca cable and than use an adapter but I don't like the idea...
     

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