Should I upgrade to a Mitchell Gyrodec SE Turntable?

Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by LakeMountain, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    I am considering to order a J A Michell Gyrodec SE Turntable (before Brexit happens;)).

    I have a Thorens 321 with a SME IV arm and an Ortofon Cadenza Blue installed now. The Thorens - I bought it almost 30 years ago - could be the weakest link in this set up. I had already put the Thorens on a custom fit platform and I had added a dampening ring on the outside of the platter. It improved sound a bit. The current set up sounds great, especially voices with sparse instrumentation. I am also happy with the dynamic response and amplification, but I do have the feeling that orchestral/classical music and records with dense, multi-instrumentation could perhaps benefit from a bit more resolution.

    I would really appreciate if you could share your experience with the Mitchell to give a better feeling if it is worth it. I will have to install the SME IV with cartridge on the Mitchell and returning could be some hassle.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Forum Resident

    Location:
    England
    The Gyro SE /SME IV/ Cadenza Blue will give you plenty of resolution l know this as l had a Gyro SE/SMEV/Cadenza Black also it gets plenty of visitors talking about it when they see it, the Gyro combo is like Fish and chips, Burger and fries in other words just right, good luck.

    NB; I am a Gyro SE owner and have not heard the Thorens.

    Oh and the Gyro is endlessly upgradeable.:D
     
  3. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

    Location:
    Sweden
    I believe it's worth to go for the Gyro SE. The synergy between any of the SME 309/IV/V tonearms and the Michell decks is something truly special. Since you already have the SME IV- order the Gyro SE! You won't regret it. :righton:
     
  4. royzak2000

    royzak2000 Forum Resident

    Location:
    London,England
    The Gyro is beautiful but if you can afford it go straight to the Orb, the last turntable you will ever buy.
     
  5. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

    Location:
    Sweden
    Agreed. :agree:
     
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  6. Dubmart

    Dubmart Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    I agree with the previous posters and would just add that if you go for a Gyro SE and can't stretch to an Orbe SE the HR power supply is a fantastic and essential upgrade, if you get a Michell you won't believe how much more you get out of your SME IV, it's a perfect match for either Michell.
     
  7. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    Very encouraging responses, great, thanks! Anyone who has upgraded from a Thorens 320 or 321?

    I have seen the Orbe and I will keep it in mind for a future upgrade saving project. I so far had a change from the Ortofon cadenza blue to a DS Audio E1 cartridge in mind. I might a start a new threat in the future then :).
     
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  8. Baldmann

    Baldmann Well-Known Member

    Location:
    Australia
    Hi, I have a Gyro with an SME 309 and Quintet black. Wonderful combo. There are two must have upgrades imo, the HR p/s and the Orb clamp. I also have Solidair magnetic feet on mine, and will soon be upgrading the suspension.
     
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  9. Optimize

    Optimize Forum Resident

    Location:
    EU
    The Thoréns 321:
    Wow and flutter: 0.035%
    GyroDec:
    Wow and flutter: less than 0.04%

    Strange that >30 year old Thoréns have better
    Wow and flutter. When the design of the platter and that the platter is heavier on the GyroDec. Then one of the importance factors is gone.
    But yes the design may be more attractive. :righton:
    It will be a nice "upgrade". ;)
     
  10. GyroSE

    GyroSE Forum Resident

    Location:
    Sweden
    Well to be honest the GyroDec is an almost 40 year old construction still in production. The specs you're mentioning are not a problem especially if the HR PSU is added.
     
  11. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Forum Resident

    Location:
    England

    Or the suspension upgrade which solidifies the sound and them some.:)

    Takes performance up a lot for relative buttons.:edthumbs:
     
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  12. Big Blue

    Big Blue Forum Resident

    Location:
    Wisconsin
    I’m actually still not clear on whether Brexit will be better or worse for exchange rates on hi-fi gear from the UK. Probably something to look into, there’s stuff I might want that I’d either hurry up and get or hold off, depending on the expected effects...

    EDIT: hadn’t bothered to look at your location... clearly the effects within the EU could be different than for the US...
     
  13. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    I am living in the Netherlands, which is relatively close to the UK(low shipping cost) and no import duties. BTW the exchange rate of the £ to € has already dropped. I assume it will be same for the $. A Michell Gyro SE is now ca. 1900 €, if I order now.
     
  14. Dubmart

    Dubmart Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    That's a really good price, not far of a straight Pound Euro conversion, I doubt the Pound will get much weaker and once Brexit happens and the sky doesn't fall in it will likely start to gain value again, after all the UK economy is healthier than that of several countries using the Euro, plus you will likely have all sorts of tariffs and charges added once we leave the single market.
     
  15. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    Exactly my thinking as well, now seems the time to go for it.

    Judging from the responses it looks like I better order with some upgrades, e.g Power HS unit, Orbe clamp?
     
  16. Dubmart

    Dubmart Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    I would say that both are excellent upgrades, the HR really tightens up the bass in particular, plus in the unlikely event you need it you can adjust the speed via the HR box, for reference in all the years I owned mine I only needed to adjust speed perhaps twice. If you get the Orbe clamp it will save buying the standard clamp which is half the money and I'd suggest that you get your dealer to fit the new spindle/clamp, it's not difficult, but having a work bench with a vice is somewhat necessary to get the original unscrewed plus they will be responsible for any damage or losing the ball bearing and you won't have to worry, you may even be able to order the Orbe spindle already fitted from Michell. There are other "upgrades" available, but my advice would be to stick with the two Michell ones then spend a lot of time getting used to what you have and how good it sounds, once you've done that you will be in a better position to decide if you want to change anything and what effect any future changes actually have.

    For me a new Gyro SE with a HR and a SME IV is pretty much unbeatable for performance by anything at a similar or lower price and holds it's own with some much more expensive competition, plus as an added bonus it's prettier than almost anything else out there.
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2019 at 7:00 AM
  17. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Forum Resident

    Location:
    England
    The Orbe clamp is essential in my book and can endorse the HR PSU....however will say again the suspension upgrade takes the Gyro into another league altogether.

    Good luck.:)
     
  18. RONENRAY

    RONENRAY Well-Known Member

    Location:
    antwerp belgium
    The GYRO SE is a wonderful turntable , with your SMEIV arm it must be wonderfull.
    I have it with the Mitchell power supply and SME 309 and a Benz cartridge and sounds great.
    The ORBE must be better also mor expensive x2 .
     
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  19. RONENRAY

    RONENRAY Well-Known Member

    Location:
    antwerp belgium
    For 1900 euro it's a bargain,i known a Michell Gyro turntable who works 10h a day for many years
    and still is perfect , if you see the price of turntables these days it go's crazy.
    Think Michell Gyro and Orbe is great quality.
    And Imho it's als a great design object , more than the Orbe.
     
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  20. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    Thx! The suspension upgrade is possibly now already part of the base model. I found the suspension upgrade offered for “previous “ Gyro models:). I will check.
     
  21. chili555

    chili555 Forum Resident

    I have and love a Gyro SE. Highly recommended. I would consider the SME IV to be my ultimate, end game upgrade. I doubt that you will be anything but amazed.
     
  22. LakeMountain

    LakeMountain Member Thread Starter

    Location:
    Netherlands
    Thank you all for your help! I ordered the Gyro SE with HR powersupply, the Orbe clamp and spindle pre- installed. The suspension upgrade is already part of the model.
    Alas, It will take some 6 weeks to get delivered. Not sure, if this thread will then still be accessible, but if it is I will share my first impressions.
    .
     
  23. Dubmart

    Dubmart Forum Resident

    Location:
    Bristol, UK
    I think you will love it, there's nothing like rediscovering your record collection and I'm sure the records will sound better than you've ever heard them before. I assume your dealer is setting everything up for you as although it's possible to do it yourself experience pays dividends especially with getting the suspension right.
     
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  24. Andy Saunders

    Andy Saunders Forum Resident

    Location:
    England
    Look forward to your impressions and the spinning platter weights......never get tired of watching ( and listening to my Gyro SE.):)
     
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