Steely Dan CDs Different Masterings: Aja

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mdekoning, Aug 23, 2008.

  1. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I guess this one is going to be complicated. Here's what I have:

    Mastering 1:
    93.8/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.2

    MCA Remaster 1999 (Made in EU) 811 745 LC01056 UN899 / Matrix: 50117 811745-2 03/(Made in Germany by Universal

    M&L)

    Mastering 2:
    81.4/99.6/89.1/97.2/100.0/89.1/95.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD4109814 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    90.8/91.7/90.6/88.7/96.3/86.2/97.6

    MCA Japan for USA 1984 MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-T5E21

    Remember any slight variation in matrix, catalogue number or peak levels should be listed here. Also, so far nobody has posted the levels of a US 1998-2000 remaster, don't tell me none of you have one.
     
  2. Slipperman87

    Slipperman87 Active Member

    remember, there were only 5000 steve hoffman versions made. no more, no less
     
  3. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    Two more that match the above:

    MCA US for US
    Cover: MCAD 37214 DIDY 55 (no barcode) / CRC club version
    Disc: MCAD-37214 above DIDY 55 above CRC
    Matrix: CI 5650-1 (plus another code that has been scratched out)

    MCA UK for UK
    Cover: MCA DMCL 1745
    Disc: MCA US MCAD-37214
    Matrix: MCAD-37214-1T24


    Another version:

    MCA US for US
    Cover: MCAD 37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode)
    Disc: MCAD-37214
    Matrix: MCAD-37214-1 1C15 MFD BY JVC

    81.4/100.0/100.0/97.4/99.8/100.0/90.4
     
  4. dprokopy

    dprokopy Forum Resident

    Location:
    Near Seattle, WA
    I have the same disc, with the same packaging and peak levels, with the following matrix: MCAD-37214-U7C11
    (I still maintain this is, at least, a digital clone of the Hoffman master, due to the nearly-identical peak numbers. But that's a debate that's been covered ad nauseum here...)

    Here's my Canadian disc:
    MCABD 37214 DIDX 55 ("Price Code I") (Barcode: 0 7674-17214-2 9)
    Manufactured by Cinram for MCA Records Canada
    Maxtrix: MFG BY CINRAM #921120H MCA-37214
    Peaks: 81.4/100.0/100.0/97.4/99.8/100.0/90.4

    And here's the MFSL Ultradisc
    UDCD 515
    Matrix: MANUFACTURED BY ULTECH UDCD 515 SMF8084-1A
    (Just so you know, that was a real pain to read - it's printed backwards on the data side, and on the label side it's painted over!)
    Peaks: 66.7/62.4/85.8/72.2/79.1/57.6/85.4

    Is that the one that has "Deacon Blue" and "Peg" reversed, as on the box set? I'd be curious to see peak levels as well, since I always assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that that particular batch of remasters was sourced from the same tapes as the box set (since I believe I read that the Pretzel Logic disc is missing the opening to "Rikki," again as on the box set.)
     
  5. Downsampled

    Downsampled Formerly PlusMinus

    There's a thread about this already. Particularly, I tried to summarize some of this info in this post.
     
  6. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey

    Ya sure?:D
     
  7. vonwegen

    vonwegen Forum Resident


    Wrong--the master was cloned for Europe. Forum member Mal went to Steve personally and had it verified that the original European-issue CD was indeed a SH mastering.
     
  8. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    That was the UK pressing. There is a thread about it.

    These are the EAC numbers for the copy of Steve's mastering:

    90.7, 91.7, 90.8, 88.9, 96.3, 86.1, 97.5.



    Joel Cairo has confirmed with Steve in this post the MCAD-37214 (Japan 20P2, 32XD and what ever else uses this masting) is not Steve's work.

    http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=1988961&postcount=145
     
  9. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Is this to say that the mastering that Steve did of Aja is isolated *only* to the MCA UK MLCD presses???
     
  10. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    *Nauseous*...

    I'm going to make a somewhat educated assumption here.

    Chances are likely, or *more than likely* that the Japan and U.S. discs that are the *supposed* variation on Mal's UK Nimbus CD, *are in fact his *original* mastering, and the Europe/UK versions are the ones from the clones of the Sony PCM tape.

    They didn't start using that newer MCA logo(as on the UK CD) until the 90's.

    Sounds like a legitimate explanation, no?
     
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  11. vonwegen

    vonwegen Forum Resident

    No. See my post above - the UK pressing was cloned from the original SH master.
     
  12. Slipperman87

    Slipperman87 Active Member

    how long did the UK Hoffman Aja stay in print
    -----how rare is it?
     
  13. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Here's an updated list:

    Mastering 1:
    93.8/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.2

    MCA Remaster 1999 (Made in EU) 811 745 LC01056 UN899 / Matrix: 50117 811745-2 03/(Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2:
    81.4/99.6/89.1/97.2/100.0/89.1/95.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD4109814 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    90.8/91.7/90.6/88.7/96.3/86.2/97.6

    MCA Japan for USA 1984 MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-T5E21
    MCA US for US MCAD 37214 DIDY 55 (no barcode) / CRC club version (Disc: MCAD-37214 above DIDY 55 above CRC) / Matrix: CI 5650-1 (plus another code that has been scratched out)
    MCA UK MCA DMCL 1745 (disc: MCA US MCAD-37214) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1T24

    Mastering 4:
    81.4/100.0/100.0/97.4/99.8/100.0/90.4

    MCA US MCAD 37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1 1C15 MFD BY JVC
    MCA Canada MCABD 37214 DIDX 55 ("Price Code I") / Matrix: MFG BY CINRAM #921120H MCA-37214

    Mastering 5:
    66.7/62.4/85.8/72.2/79.1/57.6/85.4

    MFSL Ultradisc UDCD 515 / Matrix: MANUFACTURED BY ULTECH UDCD 515 SMF8084-1A

    If you can't list EAC levels, catalogue numbers and matrix numbers don't bother to post in this thread. If you want to discuss how rare the Steve Hoffman mastering is, post the peak levels of Mal's confirmed SH mastered CD without listing catalogue and matrix numbers or discuss how long the SH mastered UK disc has been in print please do it in another thread. Thank you.
     
  14. Capt Fongsby

    Capt Fongsby Simulacrum

    Location:
    Norway
    I have this one:

    90.7 / 91.7 / 90.8 / 88.9 / 96.3 / 86.2 / 97.5

    Made in Germany, w/two cat#s:
    MCD 01745
    DMCL 1745

    matrix: SONOPRESS I-5627/MCD01745 A1

    My cd player shows a total time of 39:57

    As you can see there's a 0.1% deviation on track 6, but I gather this is Steve's mastering?
    It sounds great.
     
  15. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey

    Yes.:agree:
     
  16. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    I don't know. I am just going by what Joel Cairo confirmed with Steve. I have also heard Steve's mastering and the 32XD Japan and they do not sound the same. Mal likes the Japan VJD pressing - I don't know who mastered that one. Dave likes the 32XD. I seems to me that there are plenty of good sounding "Aja" discs out there.

     
  17. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey

    Whatever was confirmed, *Is completely impossible*(IMHO). I'd bet my Hi-Fi on it.:D

    First off, chances are *more than likely* that his mastering was sent to U.S. and Japan plants *before* the U.K., which is a clone of the original.
     
  18. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    I've compared my copy (mastering 3) to Mal's 10 second sample of "Black cow" from the disc confirmed as Steve's mastering. They sounded identical to me. I've compared the waveforms of both and even down to the smallest detail (sample by sample) they looked identical to me, I couldn't spot any differences in the frequency domain either. There is a small DC offset difference which isn't constant (which might explain the small variations in peak levels), but my guess is that they're from the same digital source tape. There might be pressing differences, but not mastering differences. So my guess is that mastering 3, mastering 6 or any other mastering with similar peak levels is Steve's.

    Mastering 1:
    93.8/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.2

    MCA Remaster 1999 (Made in EU) 811 745 LC01056 UN899 / Matrix: 50117 811745-2 03/(Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2:
    81.4/99.6/89.1/97.2/100.0/89.1/95.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD4109814 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    90.8/91.7/90.6/88.7/96.3/86.2/97.6

    MCA Japan for USA 1984 MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-T5E21
    MCA US for US MCAD 37214 DIDY 55 (no barcode) / CRC club version (Disc: MCAD-37214 above DIDY 55 above CRC) / Matrix: CI 5650-1 (plus another code that has been scratched out)
    MCA UK MCA DMCL 1745 (disc: MCA US MCAD-37214) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1T24

    Mastering 4:
    81.4/100.0/100.0/97.4/99.8/100.0/90.4

    MCA US MCAD 37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1 1C15 MFD BY JVC
    MCA Canada MCABD 37214 DIDX 55 ("Price Code I") / Matrix: MFG BY CINRAM #921120H MCA-37214

    Mastering 5:
    66.7/62.4/85.8/72.2/79.1/57.6/85.4

    MFSL Ultradisc UDCD 515 / Matrix: MANUFACTURED BY ULTECH UDCD 515 SMF8084-1A

    Mastering 6 (nearly identical to mastering 3):
    90.7/91.7/90.8/88.9/96.3/86.2/97.5

    MCA Germany MCD 01745 DMCL 1745 / Matrix: SONOPRESS I-5627/MCD01745 A1
     
  19. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    Unless his mastering was pulled in favour of the Nichols. I don't know. I did have the Canada for Canda CD, which has the same EAC as the Japan discs, and it isn't Steve's - I compared that one to the Hoffman mastering.

    Steve would know the answer, but he stays out of these threads (smart guy).
     
  20. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    It will only get even more confusing, as there's a third one with similar levels as 3 & 6. Unless we'll all agree in the end that all 3 are the same mastering, this thread will only raise more questions instead of giving us a final answer. Steve's smart indeed to stay out of these discussions.:laugh:
     
  21. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    :D

    I have a Canada for Canada that's a different mastering than Steve's-Gotta watch out for those. This disc is still currently available. It's the later mastering with more EQ'd treble.

    My U.S.'DIDX 000055' matrix CD that I have, is Steve's mastering, though.
     
  22. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

    Location:
    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    Well, if you can get folks to post up samples from the song Aja (all 3 versions have the same peak value) and any other song (where there are differences), someone should be able to determine whether (a) they remain in digital sync. (a good indication that they are derived from the same digital master) and (b) whether they differ in EQ or DC offset or sample alignment.
     
  23. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Could you list the full catalogue number as well, then I can finally list Steve's mastering (EAC levels have already been mentioned earlier in this thread).
     
  24. LesPaul666

    LesPaul666 Active Member

    Location:
    New Jersey
    Here's a the first 30-seconds of Black Cow from my U.S. DIDX-000055 press, *SH mastering*. The full catalog number for this is:MCAD-37214 DIDX 55. DADC press.


    http://www.mediafire.com/?gmu0m34dclx



    The Canada MCA I have that *is not an SH mastering* is:

    MCABD 37214 Cineram Matrix LT40 MCABD37214 #40830V04 11

    This Canada disc has the usual full artwork and DIDX55 printed on the liner and notes.



    Here's a clip from the Canada CD I just mentioned:


    http://www.mediafire.com/?nroxgdlny01
     
  25. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    What's the mastering of the Canada disc? If it's a new one please post EAC levels.

    An updated list:

    Mastering 1:
    93.8/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.2

    MCA Remaster 1999 (Made in EU) 811 745 LC01056 UN899 / Matrix: 50117 811745-2 03/(Made in Germany by Universal

    M&L)

    Mastering 2:
    81.4/99.6/89.1/97.2/100.0/89.1/95.0

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD4109814 Y3C1C MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3:
    90.8/91.7/90.6/88.7/96.3/86.2/97.6

    MCA Japan for USA 1984 MCAD-37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-T5E21
    MCA US for US MCAD 37214 DIDY 55 (no barcode) / CRC club version (Disc: MCAD-37214 above DIDY 55 above CRC) /

    Matrix: CI 5650-1 (plus another code that has been scratched out)
    MCA UK MCA DMCL 1745 (disc: MCA US MCAD-37214) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1T24

    Mastering 4:
    81.4/100.0/100.0/97.4/99.8/100.0/90.4

    MCA US MCAD 37214 DIDX 55 (no barcode) / Matrix: MCAD-37214-1 1C15 MFD BY JVC
    MCA Canada MCABD 37214 DIDX 55 ("Price Code I") / Matrix: MFG BY CINRAM #921120H MCA-37214

    Mastering 5:
    66.7/62.4/85.8/72.2/79.1/57.6/85.4

    MFSL Ultradisc UDCD 515 / Matrix: MANUFACTURED BY ULTECH UDCD 515 SMF8084-1A

    Mastering 6 (nearly identical to mastering 3):
    90.7/91.7/90.8/88.9/96.3/86.2/97.5

    MCA Germany MCD 01745 DMCL 1745 / Matrix: SONOPRESS I-5627/MCD01745 A1

    Mastering 7 (confirmed as Steve Hoffman's mastering, nearly identical to 3 & 6):
    90.7/91.7/90.8/88.9/96.3/86.1/97.5

    MCA US DIDX-000055 / Matrix: MCAD-37214 DIDX 55
     
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