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Steely Dan CDs Different Masterings: Katy Lied

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by mdekoning, Aug 17, 2008.

  1. jwoverho

    jwoverho Licensed Drug Dealer

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    Mobile, AL USA
    Yes....:agree:
     
  2. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

    Location:
    Vermont
    So only the CRC edition has the SH mastering then?

    Evan
     
  3. Jerry

    Jerry Grateful Gort Staff

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    New England
    I think the timings are indicators too, IIRC.
     
  4. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    These EAC peak levels:

    100.0/100.0/94.1/100.0/100.0/100.0/79.2/92.3/89.2/100.0

    Every 37XXX catalogue number should be fine. Another indication that your disc has Steve's mastering is the obvious drop in the level of the tape hiss at the start of "Bad Sneakers".
     
  5. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

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    Vermont
    I checked the timing and it is 35:29, which would indicate it is not the SH mastering I have. Bummer.

    Evan
     
  6. Slipperman87

    Slipperman87 Active Member

    does it say XX37 or XX31 in the matrix code
     
  7. Dave

    Dave Esoteric Audio Research Specialist™

    Location:
    B.C.
    Another confirmed Steve Hoffman mastering to add here. The Japanese for Japan 1st pressing. Catalog #18P2-2694. The matrix reads 18P2-2694 1M TO. Has the letters ADD on the CD face along with the JASRAC labeling. The back artwork is Green Plaid with no UPC code as it's on the OBI instead. Here's the peak levels according to EAC.

    100.0 %/100.0 %/94.1 %/100.0 %/100.0 %/100.0 %/79.2 %/92.3 %/89.2 %/100.0 %
     
  8. Evan L

    Evan L Beatologist

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    Vermont
    No.

    Evan
     
  9. JuhaS

    JuhaS Forum Resident

    Location:
    Finland
    I wonder if these we're still in print in Europe well into the 90s. I have mastering #3 and matrix has "Made in Germany". My SH mastering of Aja is "Made in Germany by PMDC". Maybe these we're the versions in print until late 90's remasters? We're the Meadows' masterings available in Europe outside of Citizen box set?

    Oh, and i still have no idea what are the "bad masterings" that according to Nichols were available sometime between mid 80s and early 90s. Has these versions been identified? And most importantly: how do they sound?
     
  10. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Glenn Meadows mastered discs have been around since about 1991 in the US, I once had a Can't Buy A Thrill disc which I bought in France which matched the Citizen mastering (but then level-adjusted). But that's all I know.

    No, they've never been spotted. Several albums have more than 1 unremastered mastering, but nobody has yet been able to figure out which ones are right and which ones are wrong.

    With the exception of Gaucho. Roger Nichols mentions a speed issue, which does exist on some unremastered discs. I own a copy of one of these. Strangely this issue wasn't corrected for either the Citizen boxed set or the 2000 remaster.
     
  11. musicmax

    musicmax New Member

    Here's another American Hoffman with no DIDX or DIDY on anything:

    MCAD-31194 on spine, lower left of booklet back, lower left of tray insert, and on disc
    Manufactured in USA and ADD SPARS code on disc
    Matrix MCAD-37043-A43 with no plant identification
    bug/plant artwork with UPC on back insert
     
  12. Gardo

    Gardo Senior Member

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    Virginia
    bump--answers welcome!
     
  13. sunhede

    sunhede Forum Resident

    Location:
    Sweden
    I believe there is a minor error in the matrix code stated for the Swiss disk, Mastering 4, above:
    My copy of this disk contains the following data:

    MCA (CD: Made in Switzerland, Packaging: Manufactured in Germany by Record Service GmbH. Alsdorf)
    Cat #: 250 494-2 (CD and Packaging), MCAD-37043 (Packaging only)
    Barcode: none
    Matrix: W 250494-2 1124 477 01 *
    Peak Levels: 97.7/97.7/92.0/97.7/97.7/97.7/77.4/90.2/87.2/97.7

    That is, there is a zero 0 missing before the last 1 at the end of the matrix number. It may also be interesting to note that while the CD was pressed in Switzerland, the inserts were in fact manufactured in Germany.
     
  14. MartinGr

    MartinGr Forum Resident

    Location:
    Germany/Berlin
    Another update for

    Mastering 3 (Steve Hoffman's version):
    100.0/100.0/94.1/100.0/100.0/100.0/79.2/92.3/89.2/100.0

    MCA 250 494-2 (MCAD-37043) (Warner Distribution, Made in Germany by Record Service Alsdorf)
    Matrix: 229250494-2 RSA


    Martin
     
  15. MartinGr

    MartinGr Forum Resident

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    Germany/Berlin
    I remember I bought my Steely Dan CDs 1992. Around that time the MCA distribution and manufacturing changed from Warner to BMG Ariola here. My Aja and Katy Lied have still Warner catalog numbers (and have Steve's mastering, as it seems) - but I've seen the later BMG Ariola versions listed with the same masterings in these threads. They were in print until the remasters came...

    Martin
     
  16. Vocalpoint

    Vocalpoint Forum Resident

    Here's another oddball...this from an early (1989ish) Canadian Cinram Pressing:

    93.3/93.3/87.8/93.3/93.3/93.3/73.9/86.1/83.3/93.3

    MCAD-31194/MFG By Cinram (on inner hub)
    Matrix: #880107CC (on inner hub)

    Cheers!

    VP
     
  17. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    I already had Steve's version on this disc, as follows:
    Today, I picked up a disc that is also the Hoffman mastering (EAC levels shown below), but in a variant I do not see listed in this thread:

    100.0/100.0/94.2/100.0/100.0/100.0/79.3/79.3/92.3/89.3/100.0 (I rounded to nearest 10th, so the decimals may differ by 1.

    MCA USA MCAD 31194 DIDY-373 / Matrix: DIDX-000373 6
    This is a CRC pressing with full artwork, white spine w/black text
    No UPC Made in USA. 1975/1985 dates on rear.
     
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  18. Gardo

    Gardo Senior Member

    Location:
    Virginia
    This is the one I picked up over the summer.

    There's an inadvertent repeated "79.3" in the string above, yes?

    EAC gives me 100.0/100.0/94.1/100.0/100.0/100.0/79.2/92.3/89.2/100.0.
     
  19. MLutthans

    MLutthans That's my spaghetti, Chewbacca! Staff

    Good catch! Yes, there are only 10 songs on this disc.

    Matt
     
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  20. mdekoning

    mdekoning Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Another update:

    Mastering 1:
    98.4/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8/98.8

    MCA Remaster 1999 MCD-11916 / Matrix: MCD-11916 00088 111 916-2 01 (Made in Germany by Universal M&L)

    Mastering 2:
    84.5/93.9/93.8/85.1/87.5/97.0/96.1/87.5/90.9/94.5

    MCA Citizen boxed set MCAD 4-10981 / Matrix: MCAD 4109812 Y1D3A MFD BY JVC

    Mastering 3 (Steve Hoffman's version):
    100.0/100.0/94.1/100.0/100.0/100.0/79.2/92.3/89.2/100.0

    MCA MCD 01800/DMCL 1800 (Distributed by BMG Ariola) Matrix:SONOPRESS I-5630 / MCD01800 A, DS2, IFPI 0764
    MCA MCD 01800/DMCL 1800 (Distributed by BMG Ariola) Matrix: SONOPRESS I-5630 / MCD01800 A IFPI L022 DS2
    MCA Japan for USA MCAD-37043 DIDX 373 (full artwork) / Matrix: MCAD-37043-U2E14
    MCA USA MCAD-31194 (Compact Price/Plaid-back) / Matrix: MCAD-37043-A4E
    MCA MCD 01800/DMCL 1800 (Distributed by BMG Ariola) / Matrix: MCD01800 50169153 01 MADE IN GERMANY
    MCA USA MCAD-31194 (full artwork) / Matrix: MCAD-37043-A43
    MCA Japan for Japan 18P2-2694 / Matrix: 18P2-2694 1M TO
    MCA Germany 250 494-2 MCAD-37043 / Matrix: 229250494-2 RSA

    Mastering 4 (Steve Hoffman's master, turned down a bit??):
    97.7/97.7/92.0/97.7/97.7/97.7/77.4/90.2/87.2/97.7

    MCA Switzerland 250 494-2 MCAD-37043 / Matrix: W 250494-2 1124 477 1 *

    Mastering 5 (same source tape as mastering 2):
    85.5/95.0/94.9/86.1/88.5/98.1/96.1/88.5/90.9/94.5

    MCA USA MCAD-31194 (Compact Price/Plaid-back) Mfd for BMG (D100406) / Matrix: IFPI L239 D100406 1J11
    MCA USA MCAD-31194 (Compact Price/Plaid-back) / Matrix: MCAD-31194-1 1C MFD BY JVC
    MCA ?? / Matrix: MCAD-31194-1 1C
    MCA MCAD-31194 MFG by UNI / Matrix: MCAD 31194 A50905CG

    Mastering 6 (another level adjusted Steve master?):
    100/99.9/93.2/100/100/100/78.1/90.9/88.7/99.8

    MCA USA MCAD 31194 DIDY-373 / Matrix: DIDX-000373 3

    Mastering 7:
    93.9/94.3/94.3/94.2/94.3/94.3/94.3/94.2/94.2/94.2

    MCA Remaster? MFG BY UNIVERSAL / Matrix: MCAD1191603066713137

    Mastering 8 (Steve;s version, turned down?):
    93.3/93.3/87.8/93.3/93.3/93.3/73.9/86.1/83.3/93.3

    MCA Canada MCAD-31194/MFG By Cinram / Matrix: 880107CC
     
  21. rpaterso47

    rpaterso47 Well-Known Member

    here's another MCA Canada pressing: catalog number MCABD-31194 / MFG BY CINRAM / Matrix: #920107EE. the only date on the CD and accompanying paperwork is 1975.
     
  22. sonnyrock

    sonnyrock Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scotland
    I received this one today, which appears to be a UK pressing:

    MCLD 19082 (Distributed by BMG Records (UK) Ltd / Mastered By Nimbus / Matrix: DMCL 1800 : 1:4
     
  23. sonnyrock

    sonnyrock Forum Resident

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    Scotland
    These are the EAC levels I get:

    97.3/97.4/91.6/97.4/97.4/97.3/77.1/89.8/86.8/97.2
     
  24. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

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    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    Allowing for rounding this looks to be a scaled version of Mastering 3.
     
  25. sonnyrock

    sonnyrock Forum Resident

    Location:
    Scotland
    Thanks. I wasn't quite sure how to interpret this.
     

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