The ethics of the resale

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  1. Rhett

    Rhett Forum Resident

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    I don't know - but I bet you can tell me.
     
    Rhett, Apr 16, 2014
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  2. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    Yeah, well, it certainly sounds like it: 'there's no right or wrong - it's all about how you feel.'
     
    Wright, Apr 16, 2014
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  3. Rhett

    Rhett Forum Resident

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    there is right and wrong but in this particular instance of selling tickets the seller decided to let them go at face value and not make a profit - just to recoup what he put into it. In that particular instance is what i was saying wasn't right or wrong - but as long as the seller felt good about it.

    That's not to say that works in all situations.

    One size doesn't fit all.
     
    Rhett, Apr 16, 2014
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  4. Wright

    Wright Forum Resident

    So, we're talking about selective ethics? Do what feels right only in certain situations? But doesn't that take us down a slippery slope?
     
    Wright, Apr 16, 2014
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  5. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    I am not against making a profit. I am speaking as a collector and music fan. If I am in the business of selling music, then all bets are off. With the personal exception of the nun hypo that I gave. That would be my personal choice.

    Music is not a commodity in the pure sense. It is not fungible. It is not an agricultural product or raw material. Like housing it creates market distortion a if it is treated as a fungible good. The value comes from different factors.
     
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    Sneaky Pete, Apr 16, 2014
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  6. Atmospheric

    Atmospheric Forum Resident

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    Or "Being a narcissist means never having to say you're sorry."
     
    Atmospheric, Apr 16, 2014
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  7. Thurenity

    Thurenity Listening to some tunes

    Isn't that the essence of what ethics are?
     
    Thurenity, Apr 16, 2014
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  8. Brudy

    Brudy Senior Member

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    Situational ethics. Scary stuff.
     
    Brudy, Apr 16, 2014
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  9. Sneaky Pete

    Sneaky Pete Flat the 5 and That’s No Jive

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    No.
     
    Sneaky Pete, Apr 16, 2014
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  10. EricF

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    I was thinking that it could be "gaming the system" if the flippers are using tactics that circumvent the intended rules or manipulate the system to their advantage. Kind of like the extreme couponers who ruined coupons for everyone else.
     
    EricF, Apr 16, 2014
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  11. Wright

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    I'm no expert, but isn't an important part of ethics the relationship to other people?
     
    Wright, Apr 16, 2014
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  12. Malina

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    I'm not sure how flippers are "gaming the system" or what the "intended rules" they might be manipulating are. The buying and selling of tangible items can always be viewed as some kind of "scam" if that's how you want to see it. Someone is seeking to profit by selling his goods to another. So what we are really talking about here is a matter of degree.

    The whole concept of "limited edition" is nothing but a scam and that is what DCC was based upon - "What number do you have? How low is your number?" Any shrink will tell you that the concept of the "limited edition" is nothing but psychological manipulation, plain and simple. "Look what I have. I have one and you don't have one. I am special." Is this not the very basis of the "limited edition" concept? And we all know that the limited edition concept works like gangbusters. That is why limited edition items can be found in everything from cars to freaking candy bars. And I am always on the lookout for limited edition candy bars, so it works on me too. How many of you have tasted a lime or orange flavored Kit Kat bar? Who wants one now? I got 'em - only 10 bucks a pop! So go ahead and line up for your limited edition stuff on Record Store Day and you will feel oh so special when you have that item in your hands. Whether or not your flip it or keep it, you are part of the problem.
     
    Malina, Apr 16, 2014
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  13. BrokenByAudio

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    That is really abusive. You assume way too much.
     
    BrokenByAudio, Apr 16, 2014
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  14. BrokenByAudio

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    a lot less than that, and more than that, generally.
     
    BrokenByAudio, Apr 16, 2014
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  15. Thurenity

    Thurenity Listening to some tunes

    What if the other person is unreasonable? :)

    But then again, what if my own feelings are completely counter to what would normally be considered the norm? :eek:

    <head explodes>

    OK...what's your definition then? I'm game.
     
    Thurenity, Apr 16, 2014
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  16. Malina

    Malina Forum Resident

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    Abusive? Are you Tom Perkins?
     
    Malina, Apr 16, 2014
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  17. Leigh

    Leigh https://orf.media

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    Maybe someone should remind the deadheads that you can get several imperial ****-tons of their music in high quality (legally) for free... exactly why do you need this show so badly? I mean, c'mon (and I say this as someone with hundreds of hours of soundboards and a few official releases).
     
    Leigh, Apr 16, 2014
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  18. Malina

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    And that is why I say these people are trustafarians or collectors or suffer from OCD or something like that. You want some Dead? You got plenty of Dead. I had access to low generation Betty Cantor soundboards on cassette about 30 years ago and they sounded great on my BX-300. Haha. This is not about access to the music, it's about consumerism.
     
    Malina, Apr 16, 2014
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  19. BrokenByAudio

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    It's your attitude, the way you present yourself in response to his post; it's abusive. Uncivil.
     
    BrokenByAudio, Apr 16, 2014
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  20. mwheelerk

    mwheelerk Sorry, I can't talk now, I'm listening to music...

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    I know her and she is a harsh mistress.
     
    mwheelerk, Apr 16, 2014
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  21. Brudy

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    Trying to justify past actions?
     
    Brudy, Apr 16, 2014
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  22. Malina

    Malina Forum Resident

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    I just took a look. I was the one called "unethical" and "immoral" for flipping, but somehow I survived those slings and arrows. But thank you for expressing your concern over the harsh insults that were directed at me. I appreciate it.
     
    Malina, Apr 16, 2014
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  23. Malina

    Malina Forum Resident

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    I don't think I have to justify anything. I do find the conversation interesting and was just throwing the ideas out there. The whole concept of artificial scarcity and "limited editions" and how they wreak havoc on the human brain is interesting to me.
     
    Malina, Apr 16, 2014
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  24. Jgirar01

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    Yep, those Dave's Picks that are hot today could be worth much less tomorrow. I have watched many albums go up in value then come back down six months later because the hype was over. If you don't flip RSD items in the first week you are lucky to get your money back. The market is all over the place, buy what you like and want to keep. If I want to invest there are much better places to do it than the collectible music market.
     
    Jgirar01, Apr 16, 2014
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  25. EricF

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    What I meant was using tactics like multiple subscriptions, fake email accounts, bribbing the thrift store emplyees so they can get access to merchandise before it goes to the sales floor. If the flippers bought it fair and square, they can do what they want with it.

    As far as limited edition and collecting goes, I agree that it is a waste of time, energy and money. That is true of most hobbies however.
     
    EricF, Apr 16, 2014
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