A gross violation of all ethical principles! And here I’ve been busily working my way through the teeming verbiage of the thread, trying to regurgitate my prior Dave thoughts…when I could have simply waited for it all to be placed on a platter (with an envelope tucked underneath). Side bar: Any idea what song I’m talking about here? “I can visualize the video for this with Dave in his Louis XIV get-up, exaggeratedly pursing his lips as he shrieks intermittently. Yep, this song goes onto the Thread Wrap-up Party Soundtrack, maybe at around the three-hour point.”
Not lobbying - just asking if they should or shouldn’t be included. I didn’t see them on Mark’s list of eligible songs. I’d actually have to listen to most of these to know what they are.
I think it will be really interesting to see how our collective Ray Top 20 / Dave Top 20 lists will turn out. I imagine many different tracks will be #1 on the respective lists and I couldn't possibly predict what the respective Top 5 will be here on the forum thread. On Spotify, I have a personal Dave "best of" playlist which currently has 27 tracks on it, but I feel inspired now to listen again to his solo albums to make sure I don't miss any track for my Top 20 list. During my morning walk to work (from where we parked the car, at my wife's work parking space) I listened to Chosen People which I've always really liked. It is a very strong album and it was already well represented on my Dave playlist but I re-discovered one more track which I added. Later in the day, during my lunch walk I listened to the first half of Glamour which I hadn't listened to for a long, long while until now. I remembered it as being a quite terrible album so my expectations were very low - but I was positively surprised by it. While there are a few tracks on it which are not my cup of tea at all, it also has several gems so I added a couple of tracks to my playlist. I then listened to the rest of the album on my afternoon walk back to the car at my wife's work parking space. I tend to listen to full albums and only seldom to compilations, so at least for me it is a bit too easy to overlook stray Dave tracks which are only on one of his compilations plus the Record Store Day single which was released fairly recently. I also need to get re-acquainted with 80 Days. I used to have it on cassette (someone dubbed it for me) which got lost somewhere along the line and I missed this forum thread's discussion of its songs. From memory, there are a lot of excellent tracks there. I wish it would get a proper release one day!
Well, I've done both my top 20s. Still not happy with Raymond's. The problem being the '8o Days' material being in the quality they are, I guess they're not getting a fair chance. If they were properly produced and released cleaned up, there's every chance they'd take up half of my top 20, as it is they feel out of place amongst the others. I'm reasonably happy with my Dave top 20, and in all fairness, I think the top 10 from both lists would each make a great album for me.
All right, I’ve made my Dave 20 quota. Now just have to work on the ranking. edit: Have my Ray 20, as well. Just need ranking.
Yea, that's what I did when this first came up.. I thought, "if this happens it'll take me a couple of months to relisten to everything" lol
I'm not phased when we actually turn in the lists. My initial date was just for reference purposes... ala if we do it like this, then blah blah this... I was told it was too long a wait. I said ok. I don't care if we do it in May frankly.... What I would say is.... Start getting your lists together, and when everyone is ready, we can pull the trigger on the countdown start date
Two more Dave songs to add to his list. Both from Mystical Journey: New Dawn, New Day Pluto Muse There is also the 80s B side One Night With You but that is a cover version,
Wise guys, huh? You’re too much and too funny – ha ha. I have no illusions any song lists I put together will be agreed upon by the folks here. In fact, one of my opinions will be a non-starter for probably everyone else here, so we can throw that one out now. You’ll know which one when you get to it below. I prefer to let the majority decide even if I am in the minority on a decision, but I look at this stuff like this: Ray: How Many: Top 20. What To Include – officially released material only. Solo albums/singles material starting with (reluctantly) Return To Waterloo (which is really The Kinks for the reasons I laid out before due to the overlap with Word Of Mouth and the personnel but this got excluded from the Kinks Top 40. That’s a moot point now since that list is history so OK, include it here, and throw in Quiet Life which also got ignored, OK. The real Ray solo career really starts with Storyteller and not before. Include the solo bonus tracks from the Arthur box recorded in 2008/9 and 2017/8 when he really was a solo artist. What Not To Include 1 – demos recorded while The Kinks were active up through 1996. All of these that have seen official release have been released on Kinks reissues and boxsets and a good many of them feature members of The Kinks on the recordings. Ray did not have a solo career while with the Kinks. What Not To Include 2 - Solo material that has never been officially released. That elephant in the room is 80 Days, of course. This is unofficial and is not an album. I outlined all of my reasons for not recognizing this material back when and will not go into it here again. I know I’m the sole holder of this opinion, but it's not officially released and that’s the deal breaker for me. It does not exist in my world and it’s as simple and cut and dried as that. Dave: How Many: Top 20. What To Include: Solo recordings from the 1970s later released on the Decade album, and then his three solo albums and singles in the 1980s, and then everything after the Kinks. What Not To Include: The 1960s recordings recorded with and released as The Kinks and/or as Dave Davies (some were released as both at the same time). These were included in the Kinks countdown and are Kinks recordings. These include the unreleased stuff that finally saw the light of day for the first time decades later on various Kinks album reissues and in 2011 on Hidden Treasures. For any list that this group of voters would vote for in a countdown, be it Top 10, 15, 20, whatever, every Dave song that falls into this category and era of the 1960s whether it was released at the time or decades later would make this countdown list before even one 1980 or later song would and that would not make this worth doing. All that said, include 80 Days. I won’t win this one and that’s cool. And with that I can go along with most of the list @Zeki and @Fortuleo built with X-Ray, Ladder Of Success, and The Good Times Are Gone added. The only question mark I have would be on the demos recorded when the Kinks were active as I noted above. The majority should decide on their inclusion or not. I say they should not but that’s just my vote. Same thing applies to Dave’s 1960s recordings. Give your vote on this last point as to whether or not to include these Ray demos and Dave’s 1960s recordings one last time and we’ll finalize these things.
I’m fine with this. And am fine with the Ray List deletion of what is listed as: 1/ early demos not by the kinks nor for the kinks All Night Stand This I Know There's A New World Opening for Me When I See That Girl of Mine Tell Me Now So I'll Know A Little Bit of Sunlight —-end paste— And that, separately from your post, we go with the three-song suite counts-as-one per @donstemple ’s suggestion (80 Days material). Re: Dave’s material. Is ‘Decade’ eligible or not? edit: I guess I may be sounding flippant re the ‘1’ material. Not my intention, but I will admit I don’t have anything from there that is on my list. On the other hand, I do have ‘Decade’ material.
Honestly, if 80 Days or Return to Waterloo are not included, I don’t really have a great list and probably will not participate. I say we should be able to vote for anything that has been listed so far. It all sounds reasonable to me. Whatever is decided, can someone post all the eligible songs whenever it’s determined?
I’ll copy-correct-paste my Draft 2 (edited to Final) on the Ray material if someone gives me the okay.
I guess I’d like to get @Fortuleo ’s sign off before posting the final list. He suggested that particular “1” section. I know he said he’d go with @Michael Streett …but just as a precaution.
Personally I line up with all of this except for 80 Days.... Though I completely understand the reasoning behind the thoughts on 80 Days. Return To Waterloo is an awkward one, and if we had included it in the first count, I would have not thought it belongs here, but we didn't, so non-Word Of Mouth tracks do. The pre-70's Dave stuff is a two-fold problem, most hit the Kinks kount, and it is hard to figure what is and what isn't Kinks, and if we included them, we'd need to make Dave's list 40 songs, or we'll just be representing Dave in 68/69, which seems kind of dull and pointless. Anyway... just my thoughts.
This is what I drew my Dave list from: Bar-code Glamour Fragile Bug Transformation (the non-Kink songs) Fractured Mindz I Will Be Me Rippin’ Up Time Open Road Decade 21st Century (demo) Web of Time (single) Kinked (compilation, if not on Kinks album. Like ‘Where The Wind Blows (Emergency)’) Anything off limits?
Geez...I step away for like 36 hours or somethin' and what's happening? 20/20 list of Dave/Ray songs? If that's the case, please give some more time. I have to re-familiarize myself with Dave's stuff especially.
Dave Where Do You Come From - AFL1-3603 Doing The Best For You - AFL1-3603 Visionary Dreamer - AFL1-3603 Nothin' More To Lose - AFL1-3603 The World Is Changing Hands - AFL1-3603 Move Over - AFL1-3603 See The Beast - AFL1-3603 Imaginations Real - AFL1-3603 In You I Believe - AFL1-3603 Run - AFL1-3603 Wild Man - B-Side Is This The Only Way? - Glamour Glamour - Glamour Reveal Yourself - Glamour World Of Our Own - Glamour Body - Glamour Too Serious - Glamour Telepathy - Glamour 7th Channel - Glamour Eastern Eyes - Glamour Tapas - Chosen People Charity - Chosen People Mean Disposition - Chosen People Love Gets You - Chosen People The Story - Chosen People Take One More - Chosen People Freedom Lies - Chosen People Matter Of Decision - Chosen People Is It Any Wonder - Chosen People Fire Burning - Chosen People Chosen People - Chosen People Cold Winter - Chosen People Kochan - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Arrival - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Mysterious Love - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Feeling - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Dance Of The Azuras - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet One Energy - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Beautiful Night - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Spiritual Planet - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Return - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Soothe Sayer (Mukti"s Song) - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Spiritual Planet (Refection) - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Let Me Be - Fortis Green True Phenomenon - Fortis Green Voices - Fortis Green Away From You - Fortis Green Fortis Green - Fortis Green Love In The World - Fortis Green Listen To The Spirit - Fortis Green Soothe Sayer - Fortis Green Whose Foolin' Who - Bug It Ain't Over, 'Till It's Done! - Bug The Lie! - Bug Let Me Be - Bug Desplaced Person - Bug Rock You, Rock Me - Bug Flowers In The Rain3:38 - Bug Fortis Green - Bug Why?!! - Bug True Phenomenon - Bug Bug - Bug De-Bug - Bug Life After Life (Transformation) - Bug This Is The Time - Fractured Mindz Free Me - Fractured Mindz All About Me - Fractured Mindz Come To The River - Fractured Mindz Giving - Fractured Mindz Remember Who You Are - Fractured Mindz The Waiting Hours - Fractured Mindz Rock Siva - Fractured Mindz The Blessing - Fractured Mindz Fractured Mindz - Fractured Mindz God In My Brain - Fractured Mindz Little Green Amp - I Will Be Me Livin' In The Past - I Will Be Me The Healing Boy - I Will Be Me Midnight In L.A. - I Will Be Me In The Mainframe - I Will Be Me Energy Fields - I Will Be Me When I First Saw You - I Will Be Me The Actress - I Will Be Me Erotic Neurotic - I Will Be Me You Can Break My Heart - I Will Be Me Walker Through The Worlds - I Will Be Me Remember The Future - I Will Be Me Cote Du Rhone (I Will Be Me) - I Will Be Me Ripping Up Time - Ripping Up Time Semblance Of Sanity - Ripping Up Time King Of Karaoke - Ripping Up Time Front Room - Ripping Up Time Johnny Adams - Ripping Up Time Nosey Neighbours - Ripping Up Time Mindwash - Ripping Up Time Between The Towers - Ripping Up Time In The Old Days - Ripping Up Time Through My Window - Ripping Up Time Path Is Long - Open Road Open Road - Open Road Don't Wanna Grow Up - Open Road King Of Diamonds - Open Road Forgiveness - Open Road Sleep On It - Open Road Slow Down - Open Road Love Has Rules Of It's Own - Open Road Chemtrails - Open Road Cradle To The Grave - Decade Midnight Sun - Decade Islands - Decade If You Are Leaving - Decade Web Of Time - Decade Mystic Woman - Decade Give You All My Love - Decade Within Each Day - Decade Same Old Blues - Decade Mr. Moon - Decade This Precious Time (Long Lonely Road) - Decade 21st Century - Single Astral Nightmare - Fragile Violet Dreams - Fragile I'm Sorry - Fragile Give Something Back - Fragile Hope - Fragile Bright Lights - Fragile Open Up Your Heart - Fragile Wait! - Fragile No More Mysteries - Fragile Lost In Your Arms - Fragile The Kakshisa Cipher - The Aschere Project Two Worlds - The Aschere Project Love Will Change - The Aschere Project Remember Me - The Aschere Project I'll Get By - The Aschere Project We Can Do This Together - The Aschere Project Echos - The Aschere Project We Are The Ancestors - The Aschere Project Mirrors - The Aschere Project Blessed Of All Nights - The Aschere Project Valley Of The Shadows - The Aschere Project Title corrections of those posted already: True Story (listed upthread as The Story) Take One More Chance (listed upthread as Take One More) Songs missing altogether (and their album(s)): Unfinished Business - (Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997; Anthology – Unfinished Business; Unfinished Business Dave Davies Kronikles 1963 – 1998) I’ll Get Over - (Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997) When The Wind Blows (Emergency) – (Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997; Kinked) Eternity – (Anthology – Unfinished Business) The Journey – (Decade) Shadows – (Decade) There’s also the Village Of The Damned soundtrack and 4 cover versions released on tribute albums, none of which makes much sense to list and include here, so I won’t. Two more Dave songs to add to his list. Both from Mystical Journey: New Dawn, New Day Pluto Muse @palisantrancho this is the Dave list thus far
I have updated the Dave list with the songs I added last night and today and another from @Paul Mazz today so this should be the final list assuming we agree his 60s Kinks recordings should not be included. I also am not including the 5 cover versions he recorded in the studio and released as a solo artist, one as a B-Side, the other four on various artist tribute albums, nor any covers he performed live that got an official release. Additions and Updates in BOLD The Dave List: Where Do You Come From - AFL1-3603 Doing The Best For You - AFL1-3603 Visionary Dreamer - AFL1-3603 Nothin' More To Lose - AFL1-3603 The World Is Changing Hands - AFL1-3603 Move Over - AFL1-3603 See The Beast - AFL1-3603 Imaginations Real - AFL1-3603 In You I Believe - AFL1-3603 Run - AFL1-3603 Wild Man - B-Side, Anthology – Unfinished Business Is This The Only Way? - Glamour Glamour - Glamour Reveal Yourself - Glamour World Of Our Own - Glamour Body - Glamour Too Serious - Glamour Telepathy - Glamour 7th Channel - Glamour Eastern Eyes - Glamour Tapas - Chosen People Charity - Chosen People Mean Disposition - Chosen People Love Gets You - Chosen People Danger Zone – Chosen People True Story - Chosen People Take One More Chance - Chosen People Freedom Lies - Chosen People Matter Of Decision - Chosen People Is It Any Wonder - Chosen People Fire Burning - Chosen People Chosen People - Chosen People Cold Winter - Chosen People Kochan - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Arrival - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Mysterious Love - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Feeling - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Dance Of The Azuras - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet One Energy - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Beautiful Night - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Spiritual Planet - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Return - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Soothe Sayer (Mukti’s Song) - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Spiritual Planet (Refection) - Purusha and the Spiritual Planet Unfinished Business - Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997; Anthology – Unfinished Business; Unfinished Business Dave Davies Kronikles 1963 – 1998 I’ll Get Over - Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997 When The Wind Blows (Emergency) – Unfinished Business Solo Kronikles 1980 -1997; Kinked Eternity – Anthology – Unfinished Business Let Me Be - Fortis Green True Phenomenon - Fortis Green Voices - Fortis Green Away From You - Fortis Green Fortis Green - Fortis Green Love In The World - Fortis Green Listen To The Spirit - Fortis Green Soothe Sayer - Fortis Green Astral Nightmare - Fragile Violet Dreams - Fragile I'm Sorry - Fragile Give Something Back - Fragile Hope - Fragile Bright Lights - Fragile Open Up Your Heart - Fragile Wait! - Fragile No More Mysteries - Fragile Lost In Your Arms - Fragile Whose Foolin' Who - Bug It Ain't Over, 'Till It's Done! - Bug The Lie! - Bug Let Me Be - Bug Desplaced Person - Bug Rock You, Rock Me - Bug Flowers In The Rain - Bug Fortis Green - Bug Why?!! - Bug True Phenomenon - Bug Bug - Bug De-Bug - Bug Life After Life (Transformation) - Bug This Is The Time - Fractured Mindz Free Me - Fractured Mindz All About Me - Fractured Mindz Come To The River - Fractured Mindz Giving - Fractured Mindz Remember Who You Are - Fractured Mindz The Waiting Hours - Fractured Mindz Rock Siva - Fractured Mindz The Blessing - Fractured Mindz Fractured Mindz - Fractured Mindz God In My Brain - Fractured Mindz, Kinked New Dawn, New Day – Mystical Journey Pluto Muse – Mystical Journey The Kakshisa Cipher - The Aschere Project Two Worlds - The Aschere Project Love Will Change - The Aschere Project Remember Me - The Aschere Project I'll Get By - The Aschere Project We Can Do This Together - The Aschere Project Echos - The Aschere Project We Are The Ancestors - The Aschere Project Mirrors - The Aschere Project Blessed Of All Nights - The Aschere Project Valley Of The Shadows - The Aschere Project Little Green Amp - I Will Be Me Livin' In The Past - I Will Be Me The Healing Boy - I Will Be Me Midnight In L.A. - I Will Be Me In The Mainframe - I Will Be Me Energy Fields - I Will Be Me When I First Saw You - I Will Be Me The Actress - I Will Be Me Erotic Neurotic - I Will Be Me You Can Break My Heart - I Will Be Me Walker Through The Worlds - I Will Be Me Remember The Future - I Will Be Me Cote Du Rhone (I Will Be Me) - I Will Be Me Ripping Up Time - Ripping Up Time Semblance Of Sanity - Ripping Up Time King Of Karaoke - Ripping Up Time Front Room - Ripping Up Time Johnny Adams - Ripping Up Time Nosey Neighbours - Ripping Up Time Mindwash - Ripping Up Time Between The Towers - Ripping Up Time In The Old Days - Ripping Up Time Through My Window - Ripping Up Time Path Is Long - Open Road Open Road - Open Road Don't Wanna Grow Up - Open Road King Of Diamonds - Open Road Forgiveness - Open Road Sleep On It - Open Road Slow Down - Open Road Love Has Rules Of Its Own - Open Road Chemtrails - Open Road Cradle To The Grave - Decade Midnight Sun - Decade Islands - Decade If You Are Leaving - Decade Web Of Time - Decade Mystic Woman - Decade Give You All My Love – Decade The Journey – Decade Within Each Day - Decade Same Old Blues - Decade Mr. Moon – Decade Shadows – Decade This Precious Time (Long Lonely Road) - Decade 21st Century - Single ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ There are 149 songs here so surely you can find 20? If not, maybe you need to go back to: This is within a tenth of a mile or so on the same road as my office in Columbia. I never noticed this sign before Tuesday of this week as I am seldom actually in the office since I work from home in Florence most of the time. But I saw this coming back from lunch Tuesday when I was there and had to turn around and grab a snap for just such timely serendipitous thread purposes as always seems to happen in this thread. And look what color everything is as Spring is well under way here! Edit: I see Mark and I were posting this at the same time, but I'll leave mine up for the picture.
