Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by J.A.W., Apr 26, 2017.
Got a shipping notice this morning from Mosaic for my copy of Bee Hive.
Wow, my copy shipped out just two days before the set was taken off the site, and it will be here next week-- really glad now that I acted when I did! I was afraid that it wouldn't be in print much longer!
You and I both got this one just before the door closed, but you really did! Good going, man!
Please no shipping updates. Thanks.
Hopefully you all that ordered that Bee Hive set have received it and are enjoying it. I listened to Dizzy Reece's Manhattan Project on CD 4 and it was the first album in this set that didn't sound very good. Maybe it was a rough tape or perhaps a bit sloppily engineered session. Which is a shame b/c the music is fantastic, great playing & songs. A couple of tracks on the end of that CD are from Clifford Jordan's Hyde Park After Dark and there's a noticeable improvement in SQ when those songs start.
Hmm, that's unfortunate to hear that the sound is not very good on on that particular album. I am encouraged, though, to hear that the playing and songs are great! Hopefully, the album doesn't suffer from anything like the "Loudness Wars," which were not yet close to being waged when Bee Hive were recording and releasing their albums in the late 1970s and early '80s?
While I'm waiting for my Bee Hive set to arrive (should have it by the end of the day), Bobby-- do you have Mosaic's 6-disc Savory Collection, and if so, what do you think of it? Is it up to Mosaic's generally high quality of releases, music-wise, sound-wise, and in terms of the booklet notes?
I am still at least strongly considering a purchase of the Savory box next (really hoping that it doesn't go on Last Chance for a couple of months, but one never knows!!), and I'd like some input from you and/or anyone here who has it. In the end, if, for some reason, my next Mosaic purchase isn't Savory, it will likely be due to my now-very-careful (daily) looking out for whichever currently-available box set does show up on the Running Low or Last Chance lists next!
I've had the great Bing Crosby box for years. It's currently on the Running Low list, and I'm so glad that I bought that one fairly soon after it was released! I've gotten so many hours of enjoyment from that set! If anyone here loves vocal jazz, small-combo jazz, or just wonderful singing, do not hesitate to purchase Mosaic's Bing box while it is still in print. It has given me a whole new appreciation for the man as an artist. Before hearing this set, I didn't even know that Crosby had a background in jazz at all! I was woefully uninformed on that count! Bing can vocally swing with the best of 'em in my book, and I love his musical partners' playing on those discs too!
Unfortunately I don't have it. I've read where they did they best they could with the media available to transfer these tracks. See this note from Scott Wenzel on the Discography page way at the bottom:
"The sound quality of these broadcasts will differ from track to track. However, the following discs presented problems that could not be eliminated in either the transfer or restoring process: The following is a list of some of the more problematic tracks:
John Kirby - minnie the moocher’s wedding day – static throughout
Mildred Bailey / Stuff Smith - The entire “Swingtime At NBC” program was of particularly poor quality.
Stuff Smith - The Randall’s Island broadcast includes “bleeding” from neighboring radio frequencies throughout.
Glenn Miller - in the mood – high frequency signal noises persist."
I think it's a either a case of a recording engineer having a bad day and/or tape deterioration. There's times when the rhythm section gets a bit muddy, but almost throughout the horns don't sound quite right.
Ahh, ok, thanks for the help on those questions. I'm not put off from buying the Savory box at this point, but I will be sure to adjust my expectations in terms of the sound on some of the tracks.
Still can't wait to hear the Bee Hive set! If, hopefully, only one or maybe two discs out of the twelve have less-than-great sound, I will still be very happy. Ten or eleven very-good-sounding jazz discs with stellar playing, and one or two lesser-sounding discs with also-great playing, and a nice booklet, very much add up to a worthwhile purchase for me, especially when the music is so rare and likely to never be available on CD again.
I wouldn't mind if people post when the new boxes are being shipped. This thread only averages several posts per week. It is not like there is a flood of shipping posts. To me, anything that keeps it active and before people's eyes is good.
Did anyone on this thread go to the open house?
The very good Mosaic news for me, right now, is that disc one of The Bee Hive Sessions is absolutely fantastic, and that I really love the fatboy packaging for these twelve discs! (I just like fatboy pacakaging for CDs in general.)
The unfortunately not-so-good news that in each one of the four fatboys in this set, before I ever even opened them, the second disc was completely dislodged from its spindle and rolling around inside. How could that have happened to each second disc in each of these four three-disc sets?! When I put the discs onto their respective spindles, they were held there very securely, very tightly-- which leads me to wonder if they were ever even placed onto their spindles at all during the packaging!
Also, brand-new, out of the box, the second of the four fatboys had two noticeable scratches on its cover. I don't want to make a big deal out of relatively small matters, but when a box set costs $169, plus $15 in shipping, it would be nice if it arrived to me without multiple CDs dislodged and scratches on one of the covers. It feels like a small miracle that none of the four dislodged discs has any scratches.
The music itself, so far, though, is truly great! If all, or most, of these twelve discs are nearly as groovin' as the first one, this ride through The Bee Hive Sessions is going to be a very fun (and even transcendent) one!
Well the dislodging can easily occur in shipping, or when the delivery man dropped it on your porch. No one ever believed jewel box "nubs" to be perfect. Sometimes it is better for them to be only moderately tight than those you get once in a while that are so supertight that the CD can get cracked on removal.
The Japanese used to insert a layer of foam in between the CD layers in those "fatboys" to help keep them tight on their nubs. But, alas, if you let that foam sit there for 25 years, the chemicals in the foam can degrade into a brown glue and destroy the CD completely. Better to use a few sheets of folded paper to provide the pressure to keep fatboy CDs in the nubs
The scratched plastic fatboy outer shell can easily be replaced with almost any single CD jewel box back and tray insert.
The roots singer Michael Hurley has a song called "Automatic Slim and the Fatboys". I never realized it was about CD jewel boxes
Hey, did anybody go to Mosaic's open house day and how was that like?
Bing box & Braff single moved to Last Chance while Decca Armstrong is Running Low.
Anyone have that Decca Armstrong set care to comment?
This thread might not attract a lot of traffic per week, but it still has over 900 posts, so it's not exactly a non-runner (or whatever it's called). And once someone starts posting shipping updates, there's usually no stopping them, as is often the case with other threads; they (the updates) muddle up a thread and that's not something I'd like to see here.
Armstrong was great in the period covered. If you like Armstrong, it is an excellent choice. There have been many editions of this material, but this is Mosaic after all. It has been a long time since I compared its sound with other editions, but I recall that it was an upgrade.
I assume you can find samples of tunes from this era to see if you like the music.
Agree. It ain’t no Beatles thread
Ah, Mosaic CD boxes. If it ain't loose it's so damn tight you can barely get the CD out without cracking the hub (the Dial set I ordered a few months ago - talk about a delicate operation!). I think this mainly became an issue once the physical media market constricted and digipaks flourished. Now the suppliers are a short list, making it difficult to source. But you're right, at that price point these shouldn't be a problem.
As for the music, hope you're enjoying those Brignola albums. They were completely new for me and I seriously dug them!
Of course, there are almost always ways to "work around" a box set with damages, whether that is replacing a scratched or cracked CD cover, or going so far as having to reach out to the company for another copy of a badly-scratched-up, or otherwise defective, disc.
However, in the case of The Bee Hive Sessions, and for Mosaic boxes in general, there is always the looming shadow of them quickly going OOP, which can create complications. If multiple discs in a box are already dislodged before the box is even opened, and the box then goes out of print right after one's purchase of it, (as has happened with me, regarding this set), then one may not be able to easily get any possibly damaged discs replaced.
I count myself very, very fortunate, in this case, that none of the four dislodged discs seems to have been scratched, while rolling around inside, before I was able to put all of them on their respective spindles. I am trying to get to listening to each of these four discs, as soon as I can, to make sure that they all play with no problems.
Too, for me, there is the matter of principle. Maybe this is a crazy pipe dream, but after paying $169, plus $15 shipping and handling, for a Limited Edition box set, it would be really nice if it arrived to me without four dislodged, and potentially damaged, discs, and without scratches on one of the CD covers, brand-new, out of the box. Replacements and work-arounds certainly exist for these things, in most (but again, not all) cases, but they are another issue to me. This is about the principle.
Given that the Armstrong box is now on the Running Low list, it will definitely have to be my next Mosaic purchase, in early August, rather than the Savory box, as I had been thinking/planning.
No Toto box for me next month then! I'll be very happy to get the Armstrong set though (if it doesn't go OOP before next month!)!
On the Bee Hive set, I'm finishing the second disc now and seriously loving it. How can this music have not been reissued on CD, for all of these years, until Mosaic very thankfully took up the task??? This is some of the best hard-bop jazz, or any kind of jazz, really, period, that I've ever heard!!
Anyone have any update on the new Woody Herman and Mobley sets? Jeff
N0, only see they're due next month (August).
The Armstrong set is fantastic. It filled a major hole for me personally, since the bulk of my collection was earlier and later Louis. That said, I can't comment on how it compares with other releases -- though I'm sure I have some of this stuff on various old comps that probably aren't worth the time comparing. But as others said, it's Mosaic! So you get the 12x12 book, the research, the liner notes, the glorious photos, the discography, quality transfers, best sources, extensive restoration, just the fussy completeness of everything. Did I mention it's Louis Armstrong?! I will get anything Mosaic puts out by Louis, that I can tell you.
Me too. As with the Louis box, the Bing Mosaic was an immediate pre-order. As a huge Bing fan, that set was an unbelievable gold mine. I can't comprehend finding this much unreleased stuff from such a major artist. And at this point, Bing's commercial output was getting stale -- been-there-done everything by this point. So these small, intimate performances capture the real Bing -- relaxed and swingin'. How awesome would it have been if it was from the late 20s and early 30s!? Bing, Eddie Lang, maybe some Bix and Tram, just hanging out jamming. Either way, it's a treasure.
After release, a lot of mainstream single discs came out that pulled some content from it, so if anyone does miss the box those single discs are worth checking out.
I've listened to 3 of those Mosaic boxes, and this is my favorite. It kind of continues from the Hot 5s & 7s box and the DSP Louis Armstrong Big Band Sides double-CD set (I think that one went up to 1932). I've read people cite the 4-CD Hot 5s and 7s box from JSP as more important to his work artistically, but the 7-CD Mosaic box (30s to 40s) is at least as enjoyable. Most of the Mosaic songs have vocals, if you like vocal Armstrong, and he stretches out into different types of music (part of one CD is Hawaiian songs) and some odd, comedy-type recordings (including a Birthday song for Bing Crosby). It's also got 3 versions of "Old Man Mose" which is one of the few jazz songs where I don't mind hearing all the alternate versions.
Major Mosaic plot twist for me: I was absolutely set on buying the Armstrong set as soon as I had the money to afford it (which will be in August), and then, bam!-- I just saw, today, that the Classic Savoy Bebop Sessions are now available on the site again!! They are on the Last Chance list, but they can currently be bought on the site.
If the Savoy Sessions are still available next month, then I will have a hard choice. Should I buy them, instead of the Armstrong, just to make that I get them before they go OOP, or is the Armstrong set that much better than the Classic Savoy that I should buy the Armstrong anyway, instead of the Savoy sessions, even though they may be OOP again soon??
My dilemma is that I simply cannot afford to buy both sets in one month, even though it's next month! I don't want to miss out on either one of them...
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