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The "Official" All Purpose Heavy Metal and Hard Rock Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by GodShifter, Jul 3, 2014.

  1. rufus t firefly

    rufus t firefly Forum Resident

    Long island, NY
  2. Johnny Rock N' Roll

    Johnny Rock N' Roll Forum Resident

    I'm listening to the War Babies 1991 s/t album this morning. This thing is so good. I know the timing wasn't right for them to get bigger and do anything more, commercially anyway, but I really wish there was a little more material released by the band.

    I like TKO too, but Sinsel really shines with War Babies.
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  3. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia

    brad has a very unique voice
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  4. Johnny Rock N' Roll

    Johnny Rock N' Roll Forum Resident

    I definitely dig it.
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  5. spacedyed

    spacedyed Forum Resident

    Washington DC
    "Lean Into It" is also getting released on vinyl for RSD.
  6. Svetonio

    Svetonio Forum Resident

    Hope/Regret, by Taikonaut (melodic hard-rock, full-length, physical CD available, released December 17, 2018, London, UK)


    Favourite track: The Taikonaut

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  7. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia
    big day tomorrow for hard rock/metal
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  8. Anyone wishing to perform acts in preparation for LTE3. Listen to LTE 1 & 2; both open with Hypersonics in this case Paradigm Shift & Acid Rain respectively (The Closer and Opener at the 2008 concerts).

    Check out the following albums from the late Seventies...

    Bruford - Feels Good To Me (1978)
    U.K. - U.K. (1978)
    Bruford - One Of A Kind (1979)
    Rick Wakeman - Rhapsodies (for Rhapsody in Blue arranged by Tony Visconti) (1979)

    Rhapsody in Blue is available as a studio recording on this release, previously performed live in 2008 in LA & NYC.
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  9. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    ? How so ? Is something going on??
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  10. Curveboy

    Curveboy Forum Resident

    New York City
    Well for me I have (sitting in my mail box downstairs...I need to run down there!) the new: Sweet Oblivion, The Treatment and The End Machine waiting for me.
  11. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    I finally got around to listening to this one:


    Came out in 2019. Should appeal to fellow Def Leppard & Mott the Hoople fans. I liked their previous two albums which were covers but this one is mostly originals that pay tribute to their influences, and I found it to be surprisingly good.

    Here are a couple reviews/writeups I found on the 'net:

    Album Review: This Is How We Roll by Down N Outz | Hotpress

    By Edwin McFee

    Rock supergroup return with a roar

    Ten years ago, Def Leppard frontman Joe Elliott indulged his inner Victor Frankenstein and assembled a new creation, Down ‘n’ Outz, to pay tribute to the extended Mott The Hoople family. Now free from the shackles of playing cover versions, the band have become their own monster. Their third album is a treasure trove of (mostly) original music, indebted to the wonderfully OTT sounds of the ’70s. Also featuring fellow veterans from The Quireboys and Vixen, This Is How We Roll is a rockin’ romp down memory lane. In particular, Elliott thrives away from the pressures of his day job. Written and recorded over the past five years, and driven by bar-room pianos and Mick Ronson-style guitars, the likes of ‘Another Man’s War’ and ‘Boys Don’t Cry’ (not that one) are guaranteed party-starters. Elsewhere, the Elton John-steeped ballad ‘Let It Shine’ shows off the band’s considerable musical chops; ‘Music Box’ is an enjoyable oddity; and the ‘Life On Mars’-flavoured ‘Goodnight Mr. Jones’ is a fitting tribute to the Thin White Duke.


    Down N' Outz - This Is How We Roll (Review by Kai Naiman)

    Down N' Outz
    This Is How We Roll
    by Kai Naiman at 23 December 2019, 2:42 AM

    The 80's are back, and they are better than ever! Founded in 2009 by members of DEF LEPPARD, THE QUIREBOYS and RAW GLORY, he UK-based super-group DOWN N' OUTZ are no strangers to this particular memorizing music genre, and have recently shared their newest record. "This Is How We Roll", which, in short, can be described as an excellent throw-back album to the simpler 80's Rock sound.

    As far as musicianship goes, there is no surprise that the final product on "This Is How We Roll" is top-notch; the bright piano rhythm delivered by both Weir and Elliott are absolutely marvelous, and depict just how good of musicians these players are. This applies mostly in tracks such as "Let It Shine", "Goodnight Mr. Jones" and sparsely throughout the whole record, making appearances mostly as backing Rockabilly/Blues bright piano sections scattered wildly at the back-end core of the music. The intensity reaches its climax during "White Punks On Dope" - making an incredibly catchy, and yet, intense, immediate modern classic - especially following its middle section, which is a wild and driving section.

    There are a total of three intermissional tracks on the album, as well: "Music Box" and the album's finale, "The Destruction Of Hideous Things - Pt. 3" - both of which are musicially challanging, due to their rather cirque-esque motif. Regardless of that, these two tracks are masterfully orchestrated and composed - and are essential intermediary 'tracks', along with "Music Box Reprise (Griff's Lament)" - which has nothing in common with the prior listed, as it is a simple-enough, repeating mellow acoustic guitar breather, which takes a rather dimmer approach on the album's stylistic approach, yet before it too fades out to the next track. A note of applause must be given to the production team over their efforts on these few bits of effecticness, as well as for their fantastic work on the whole record.

    As mentioned above, there are moments of pure geniusness throughout the record, and this review's highlighted single, "Creatures", deserves a credit for its bizarre mixture of 80's Rock in its refrains, but silly, yet ingenious, quirkiness on the rest of the track. It is, much like the rest of the album, an easy-listening immediate contemporary classic, but adds a certain unique touch to it. Of course, it's sing-along guitar solo towards the end hits the listeners like a cool summer's breeze, and it too, in a very complimenting production decision to the genre, fades out, and gives it's place to the track to come.

    "This Is How We Roll" is not at all how one might think it is by just browsing and looking into it's track list - but it's much more; it is an album dedicated to the genre that saw better days, and is weak on its limbs as of current. The musicians that comprise DOWN N' OUTZ are nothing short of RockN'Roll geniuses, and this light, yet funky, record is to prove that as long as Rock still flows in the blood of its musicians, it too will prevail.

    Songwriting: 8
    Musicianship: 10
    Memorability: 8
    Production: 9

    Joe Elliott - Vocals, Guitars, Keyboards
    Paul Guerin - Guitars
    Guy Griffin - Guitars
    Keith Weir - Keyboards
    Share Ross - Bass
    Phil Martini - Drums
    Record Label: UMC

    4 Star Rating
    1. Another Man's War
    2. This Is How We Roll
    3. Goodnight Mr. Jones
    4. Creatures
    5. Last Man Standing
    6. Music Box
    7. Boys Don't Cry
    8. Walking To Babylon
    9. Let It Shine
    10. Music Box Reprise / Griff's Lament
    11. White Punks On Dope
    12. The Destruction Of Hideous Things - Pt. 3


    This article has Joe Elliot talking us through the tracklist which is pretty cool!

    Joe Elliott's track-by-track guide to Down 'N' Outz album This Is How We Roll | Louder

    Joe Elliott's track-by-track guide to Down 'N' Outz album This Is How We Roll

    By Fraser Lewry (Classic Rock) 31 October 2019

    Def Leppard man Joe Elliott takes us through the new album by Down 'N' Outz, who started life as a tribute act but are now very much doing their own thing

    It's quite a transformation for Down 'N' Outz.

    The band, formed in 2009 by Def Leppard singer Joe Elliott and friends to pay tribute to the extended Mott The Hoople family, have released two albums of covers: MyRegeneration in 2010 and The Further Adventures Of... four years later.

    And now? They're no longer a covers band. Third album This Is How We Roll is comprised entirely of original material – with the exception of a version of The Tubes' 1975 classic White Punks On Dope – but it keeps the Mott flame burning bright.

    "We changed out of boredom more than anything else," says Joe. "We'd done it to death, you know? And we wanted to keep going because we enjoy each other's company."

    The result is an album very much in the spirit of Mott, reflecting Down 'N' Outz' love of 70s music, but with their own personality shining through.

    Below, Joe takes us through the album. This Is How We Roll is out now.

    Another Man's War

    "This was the first track I wrote for the album. I needed a starting point for where to go, and I'd just been listening to [Ian Hunter song] England Rocks. They're not the same song – by a long chalk – but they've both got that ding-ding-ding ding piano with stabbing guitars over the top.

    "And I just went in a different direction with it. It got me going. I thought it should be the first track because I was instinctively trying to write something that didn't sound like Def Leppard. And it came completely naturally. I've literally just been waiting for it to come out, you know. That combination of Mott the Hoople, David Bowie, Elton John, Queen, Leon Russell, Humble Pie, Sparks, Jobriath. All that kind of stuff."

    This Is How We Roll

    "One of the two songs that I wrote on guitar. It was one of the first demos I did. I had the music down. It was kind of a cross between Humble Pie and Brain Capers-period Mott. It was just a straightforward rocker, a guitar-written song with piano in mind as opposed to the rest of them, which are piano-written songs with guitar in mind.

    "We were in Sheffield at the hotel where we shot the front cover for the My Regeneration album, and we were in the big bar area. We'd blocked it off, and were watching the DVD of the Hammersmith Odeon gig from 2009 on the big screen. What we thought was gonna be our first and only gig.

    "As we were watching, a pretty squiffy Guy Griffin [Down 'N' Outz guitarist] comes sliding up to the side of me, and he just nudges me and goes, 'This is how we roll.' And I thought, 'Wow! OK! I'll have some of that!'"

    Goodnight Mr. Jones

    "This wasn't written until a couple years after he [David Bowie] died. I was toying with the music, and I was aware of the fact that if somebody came along and put a gun to my head and asked, 'what does it sound a bit like?', I'd say, 'well it sounds a bit like Life On Mars,' at least with the tempo.

    "I wanted a few off the cuff references to previous song titles, but not too many. I remember once hearing song by Barclay James Harvest where they just literally sang every Beatles song title [Titles, from 1975's Time Honoured Ghosts], and I wanted it to be a lot more subtle than that. So I threw in a few."

    "And 'Station to Station' [a line from the song] isn't just a name check of his album title. It was actually based on a photograph of Mick Rock's, where he shows you Bowie and Mick Ronson sat in a British Rail train carriage having lambchop and peas.

    "It just kept building and building, and without even saying it Paul [Guerin, guitarist] just knew we had to sound like Ronson. And when we started putting the end together, I said the tempo was perfect for the Five Years [track from Ziggy Stardust] drum part.

    "We own the master tapes of the Cybernauts [Bowie tribute act featuring Elliott, Def Leppard guitarist Phil Collen and former Bowie drummer Woody Woodmansey], so we actually sampled him. So it's Woody Woodmansey doing the end part, which takes into all the right areas."


    "It's so very different to what anybody would expect, yet it's so me, even down to the whistling solo. That was only a marker for a guitar originally, and when we tracked it I couldn't do it for laughing. I started having visions of John Lennon and Bryan Ferry and even Klaus Meine.

    "I wanted it to sound kind of like Colonel Bogey because the whole thing is very World War Two and vaudeville, leading towards Queen's Bring Back Leroy Brown. Lyrically it had to be a total change to anything Leppard did as well. I've got it all there, but it's never really had a chance to surface."

    Last Man Standing

    "This was one of those things I sat at the piano and forgot to move my left hand when I moved my right hand, and then I did it the opposite way round. It sounds complicated, but basically it sounded like Joe Jackson in a very basic form, and I just start building and building and building it, and I got it all pieced together.

    "Just like Mr. Jones, I'd written the whole middle section to show off Paul's playing, which is something I stole off Ian Hunter. There's a song on his first solo album called The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nuthin' But The Truth where he wrote this whole section for Ronson to blitz that solo. It's the most brilliantly emotive guitar solo you'll ever hear – apparently played after he'd read a really bad review of Play Don't Worry [Ronson's second solo album] and he was angry as **** – and he just ripped it out.

    "So I had all the music in place. And I've got a book full of unfinished lyrics which had the line, 'God took an axe to my family tree,' which I think I probably wrote down just after my father passed away. Lyrics and music need to match mood for mood, so as soon as I got that line and it metered well over that chord sequence, I just instantly knew: I've roped another one in.

    "The yardstick for me is lyrics like American Pie by Don McLean or Hotel California by the Eagles. That's the kind of thing that you're aiming at. Where the level never drops."

    Music Box

    "This was originally written in 1978, probably sometime between Wasted and Answer To The Master. It was a finger exercise that I wrote the play on the acoustic guitar when I was learning to play without a pick.

    "I thought we could put it on the record as a bit of bridge music, because we'd been discussing running orders and although the album was never going to be Quadrophenia or Tommy, I wanted it to have a thread or a musical storyline that ran through it.

    "So we put the acoustic guitar part down, then I dug out my old school recorder and added that, and then a few days later I decided it needed a fairground organ, and it started to get more and more vaudeville. More Marlene Dietrich meets Tom Waits.

    "The fairground organ led to to the kind of bass drum that you wear on your chest – like the Energizer Bunny – and that led to the harp, and then the Python-esque backing vocals in the middle that sound like big fat barbers. And all of a sudden it just built into this music box. And if we ever do any live shows, we have the perfect intro tape."

    Boys Don't Cry

    "I wrote this on the South American tour we did began at the end of 2017 and early 2018. I knew I was missing something hard and fast, and I was strumming the riff on an acoustic guitar, using my imagination to figure out what the riff would sound like electrified. After we finished the tour we demoed the track, and once I got the music down I started working on the lyrics.

    "There's no big story to Boys Don't Cry. It's more a stream of consciousness. There's nothing overtly clever about it, it doesn't really tell a story. It's just me observing how ridiculously macho some men are when they won't let their feelings show.

    "They pretend not to cry in the piano bits in movies, or when the strings come out. You know, when the kitten gets run over."

    Walking to Babylon

    "It's all about when I first left Sheffield and moved to London, and it's also about certain relationships that come to an end. You get to that crossroads and you've got five choices: go back, go left, go right, go forward, or stay where you are.

    "And so you pick one. None of them are gonna be wrong – because if it doesn't work out you can always go back to the crossroads and try again – so it's about that endless hope that you've made the right decision, but also about reflection.

    "I hate preaching, and I hate people asking for advice, so the lyrics are a left-handed way to say, 'look, this worked for me, and I don't want to be over-specific, but this might work for you too.' Babylon is a mystical place that might not really exist, but at least go and have a look for it."

    Let It Shine

    "With some of these songs I wonder where I was when I wrote them. Was I at some kind of crossroads in my life that I've moved on from? When it comes to singing them I wonder, 'Where the hell was I when I wrote this? Because I'm okay!'

    "Because a lot of the times I write like a scriptwriter. It's not always about me. It might hint at me, but I'm too scared to write about me. I'm either too boring or it's nobody's ****ing business. And so I embellish.

    "It's like When Love And Hate Collide by Def Leppard. A lot of people have said to me, 'You know, that song is my life. It's us rowing in the kitchen. Was that you as well?" And it's not. It's just me observing other people, but knowing that others would relate.

    "It's just me trying to shine to throw a positive light on things. If I can do what I'm doing, anybody can. I'm not the most talented guy in the world, but the enthusiasm to do it is what makes me knock doors down."

    Music Box Reprise/Griff's Lament

    "Like I said, this started out in 1978, and I'm sure they all looked to me like I had three heads at first. They asked me why I wanted to call it Griff's Lament, and I said because there's laments on all the early Rod Stewart albums, that I just thought it'd be cool. It just sounded good.

    "It just reminded me of An Old Raincoat Won't Ever Let You Down-period Rod. There's a thing called Henry on Every Picture Tells A Story, which should have been called Henry's Lament.

    "I just liked the idea of using classic historical phrases from the bygone days of pop. Like when I was ten or eleven years old and seeing people use the word 'reprise', and thinking it was really clever."

    White Punks on Dope

    "We'd briefly discussed doing a third album of other people's songs years ago, and this was the only one that survived. We were discussing things we could do like Paul McCartney and Wings, 10cc or ELO, but only this song survived that conversation.

    "It was the first song that we decided we were going to record – come hell or high water – but it was the last song we recorded. We just abandoned the covers thing, but White Punks survived."

    The Destruction of Hideous Objects Part 3

    "If you're observant, you'll have noticed that on the first two Down 'N' Outz albums there was two ****ing mad titles: The Flipside of the Shameless Whelk and The Revenge of the Shipwrecked Hedgehog. It basically came about because of this thing that Mott did, which was The Wheel of the Quivering Meat Conception on the Brain Capers album.

    "They took a part of You Really Got Me, the first song on their first album – which was originally 10 minutes of ****ing freakout, which came out years later – and put it on at the end of the album, with Ian just screaming his head off, and I just thought it was funny, and that we needed to do something like that. Then we did it on the second album, and I just wanted to do it again the third."


    In a parallel universe I think Joe Elliot joined AC/DC and wrote hits for them like this one. Would be right at home on the latest AC/DC album, although I gather he was not actually aiming for that, that is what he hit IMO.

    P.S. I just noticed that at about 1:18 in there is a highway sign showing a couple roads, 76/476/202, all coming together! Whoever made this video must be from around here in Philly, because those roads "collide" north of the city in a town called King of Prussia which I am intimately familiar with. Pretty cool.

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  12. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    Ah. I have 2 out of 3 of those on order already btw!
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  13. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia
    these plus the new cheap trick
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  14. BluesOvertookMe

    BluesOvertookMe Forum Resident

    Houston, TX, USA
    Thanks for that reminder!
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  15. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Forum Resident

    Panama City, FL
    Have never heard of these guys, that sounds good! When I first saw the album for some reason I expected it to be a BTO tribute album of some sort.

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  16. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia

    I enjoy the newest album that's mostly originals. the others are covers and I don't need to hear that
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  17. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Forum Resident

    Panama City, FL
    I'll definitely have to check them out since I have never heard of them. The video posted is right up my alley.
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  18. Curveboy

    Curveboy Forum Resident

    New York City
    New from former Accept guitarist Herman Frank from the upcoming album Two For A Lie

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  19. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia
    imo the newest album that had originals is better than anything def leppard has done since the 90s
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  20. MikeInFla

    MikeInFla Forum Resident

    Panama City, FL
    Is the newest one the one pictured above?
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  21. Matthew Tate

    Matthew Tate Forum Resident

    Richmond, Virginia
    yes, this how we roll
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  22. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    I think that is the biggest straight-ahead rocker on the album. Need to give it more spins, I liked the whole thing but it veers into other more Mott/Ian Hunter-ish territory, which I am also a fan of. If yer not you might want to sample more on youtube, the whole thing is probably up there.
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  23. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    I agree with that. And Joe Elliot wrote all the songs with the exception of the Tubes cover.
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  24. slipkid

    slipkid Forum Resident

    LOL! That is hilarious. I assume it is just an unintended coincidence but that did not occur to me. No BTO on this...
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  25. AndrewK

    AndrewK Forum Resident

    Cleveland, Ohio
    band Alien and singer Jim Jidhed released some new material

    Alien - Night of fire (2020)
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