The Smiths/Morrissey - song-by-song discussion thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Turk Thrust, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. TexasBuck

    TexasBuck Forum Resident

    Dallas, TX
    Asian Rut: Interesting for a while but ultimately bland. I could see this song being boyed up on a strong album but it doesn't have that luxury on Kill Uncle. As someone else pointed out, it's about a minute too long. It might have made a better novelty as a 2 minute song, but it turns into a "rut" at it's current length. 2.5 ranking out of 5.
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  2. jalexander

    jalexander Forum Resident

    Have to agree with this. I’ve been generous with my scoring in several other tunes, but can only give points for trying to do something new... no points for the outcome though.

    2/5... and I’m probably still being generous.

    (... and oh boy what a sigh of relief I give when those opening chords or Sing Your Life come in. )
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  3. octophone

    octophone fit and working again

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  4. octophone

    octophone fit and working again

    "Asian Rut" - I'm not touching this one with a 40 foot pole.
  5. Pop_Zeus

    Pop_Zeus Forum Resident

    Southport, UK
    I will give this a big fat ZERO if allowed, otherwise a very generous 1/5
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  6. Gavaxeman

    Gavaxeman Take me back to dear old Blighty...

    West Midlands U.K.
    “There's peace through our school
    It's so quiet in the hall
    It's a strange sign for one
    Of what's to come
    Tough and cold and pale
    Oh, they may just impale you on railings
    Oh, English boys
    It must be wrong
    Three against one?”

    So I listened to all the 1991 singles and Kill Uncle again yesterday to make sure my memory isn’t being fogged up (can’t believe this was 28 years ago, where does the time go?)

    The above lyric rarely gets quoted , and of the controversial “race” trilogy (Bengali, Rut, NF Disco) this is possibly the best lyric , I’ve always thought this is the mocked Bengali deciding that trying to fit in is pointless after the death of his friend , deciding to take revenge by gong back to school with a gun (a chilling thought post Hungerford and pre Columbine ) , so it’s a warning that “outsiders” can be pushed too far perhaps?

    Musically it’s sympathetic to the lyric, but kills the album stone dead , and the live version was awful . Noted that it was moved to track 5 on the reissue which makes more sense , and probably the only correct decision about that reissue . But this song when ranked against the smiths and the highs of 1988 can only get a 2/5 for me , it’s just too plodding musically.

    “Brakes slammed, and
    His gun jammed, and
    As far as I could tell
    Brave Asian boy
    Was dealt a blow and fell
    I'm just passing through here
    On my way to somewhere civilized
    And maybe I'll even arrive
    Maybe I'll even arrive”
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  7. Squealy

    Squealy Forum Hall Of Fame

    “Asian Rut” works better following “King Leer” — a good decision on the otherwise confused Kill Uncle reissue.
  8. Orson Swells

    Orson Swells Forum Resident

    I've always thought it was one of the better Uncle songs. It's a bit of a delicacy and not always to my taste, but when I do listen I actually like the funereal music and the lyric seems entirely uncontroversial to me. As others have said, I always felt King Leer should have been track two and this track three. Anyway, a rare and welcome bit of gravitas on the album. 3.5/5
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
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  9. robbroncs

    robbroncs Forum Disgrace

    asian rut....sounds like any rut 2/5
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  10. octophone

    octophone fit and working again

    But, sadly, it doesn't sound like The Ruts. That would have been worth the entry price...
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  11. inglorious

    inglorious Forum Resident

    Asian Rut
    Interesting song, for me, but as people have said, a strange one to have as song two. Violins used sparingly I rather like but the free form type that happens a couple of times here, jar slightly. The lyrics are typical Morrissey, outsider, fatalist etc and I cannot see any controversy in them. Not amazing by any stretch but worth a couple of points.
  12. TheWarmth

    TheWarmth Forum Resident

    I like "Asian Rut" a lot better than "Our Frank," although I agree with the general consensus that putting it in the second slot was a poor decision. 3/5
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  13. Blame The Machines

    Blame The Machines Forum Resident

    Asian Rut

    "It's a strange sign for one
    Of what's to come"

    (Heavy sighs....)

    Musically, this funeral waltz/lament type track has been done miles better by the likes of Tom Waits; Leonard Cohen; & Elvis Costello, as they avoided making a dirge like this.


    Goes off to listen to an uplifting, better post Smiths related track (co-written by Johnny Marr) from the same year to cheer me up, with a much more positive, inclusive message:

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  14. Hollow Horse

    Hollow Horse To pretend to be happy could only be idiocy

    I don't do halves so I'll slide in with a 1.0 for Asian Rut.

    This has legs.
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  15. Turk Thrust

    Turk Thrust Forum Resident Thread Starter

    The ratings for Asian Rut:

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  16. Turk Thrust

    Turk Thrust Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Today's song is Sing Your Life:

    Clive Langer admitted that this song is "frighteningly lightweight" and it should have been a surprise to nobody when it barely scraped into the top 40. The lyrics are not exactly substantial and Suggs again was rather underused, but Steve Nieve's string arrangement helps to lift it into the acceptable category.

    This song also represents one of the relatively few times during this era that the live band managed to come up with a new arrangement that actually worked. The KROQ version isn't a masterpiece, but it is fun enough and hints at the style of the live shows from 1991.

    I always quite liked the video (starring Chrissie Hynde) for this one as well.

    As both versions have something to enjoy, 3.5/5.
  17. guidedbyvoices

    guidedbyvoices Diver Dan

    Alpine, TX
    I like the album version but love the KROQ version. I first heard the rockabilly version staying up late to watch Moz on Carson (with Bill Cosby making Morrissey jokes to the rowdy audience) but when Moz finally appeared, the sound was incredibly dry. The KROQ version is killer.

    So a 5 due to the KROQ Version
  18. ARL

    ARL Forum Resident

    "Sing Your Life"

    Probably another attempt at an early 60s / Joe Meek vibe, indeed the rhythm could have come straight off a Tornados track like "Jungle Fever" or "The Ice Cream Man". I remember a comment at the time saying it sounded like a Eurovision entry, which isn't too far from the truth. The idea is good, the song is fine, but it doesn't really catch fire until the last 30 seconds. The opening 20 seconds might be the most unpromising start to any song ever, but it is one of the more likeable tracks on this album. 3/5.
  19. George P

    George P Everybody's Lost

    Sing Your Life - 4.5/5
  20. ryno

    ryno Forum Resident

    Sing Your Life gets a 5/5 from me. It's my 2nd favourite Moz single after Piccadilly Palare.
  21. Orson Swells

    Orson Swells Forum Resident

    An oddly upbeat and positive song for Morrissey. It acts as a nice shift in tone from the previous track and predicts his later experiments in rockabilly. Quite fluffy and lightweight, though undeniably catchy, I think I liked it more at the time. It’s all nice enough and very inoffensive, but it doesn’t really say a lot to me today. 3/5
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  22. TexasBuck

    TexasBuck Forum Resident

    Dallas, TX
    Sing Your Life - Nice peppy bass line. Some good melodies and well sung. Agree it's lightweight but you need a break from the heavy stuff every now and then. Certainly not a classic, but It's a fun listen: Especially the first half. The arrangement starts to get too big for its own good later on. I'm not fond of the backing vocals and I'd like the arrangement to be even more stripped down to showcase the melodies even more. 3 ranking out of 5.
  23. markreed

    markreed Forum Resident

    "Sing Your Life" is a stellar Moz track, and easily one of the top three from Kill Uncle. 4/5.
  24. The MEZ

    The MEZ Forum Resident

    Sing Your Life 3.75/5
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  25. Luisboa

    Luisboa Forum Resident

    Coimbra, Portugal
    Not a bad song but to light for me.

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