Worst Edit you've ever heard...

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Apollo C. Vermouth, May 12, 2019.

  1. jparis51

    jparis51 Forum Resident

    Jersey City, NJ
    A Cantina man, that makes me SMiLE and I am one too!
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  2. old45s

    old45s MP3 FREE ZONE

    Listened to the single version for weeks and weeks when it first came out (and got used to it). The single version(of course) suited the fast flowing format AM radio was using in'71 and I rather liked it.
    When they started playing the LP version late at night I thought the keyboard solo bits went on a bit long... but over time I got used to it... and like it!
    I think there's a place for both versions.

    Unfortunately though, because of this infatuation we all have (me included) to listen and appreciate the 'near perfect' recording/version of a song.. when we hear edited versions of songs our attention is nearly always directed to the edits, whether good or bad.
  3. Jamey K

    Jamey K Internet Sensation

    Someone should be in jail for that one.
  4. Mal

    Mal Phorum Physicist

    "Magic Garden" - Dusty Springfield [1968]

    2' 29'' o_O

    If that's how it was on the original EP then it must be a mistake, surely...

    Looking on an editor at the 1998 stereo mix which has the same gap, it looks like a diagonal splice with a short piece of leader inserted - it sounds terrible, I can only assume they were matching it to the original EP:

    2' 24''
    Dusty Springfield - Magic Garden [1998 stereo mix]

    This version from a 1973 compilation (details here) seems to be correct (no leader inserted) although you can hear the edit point offset between channels as the splice goes by indicating that it is from a stereo transfer of a diagonally spliced mono tape:

    2' 23''
    Dusty Springfield : The Magic Garden [1973 mono]

    After all that, the end is a mess - the fade is too quick after the strange choice to bring the drum intro/chorus back in, unlike the 5th Dimension original:

    1' 49'' for the transition
    The 5th Dimension - The Magic Garden (Remastered 2000)

    Dusty considered this song for her next single in early 1968 but maybe they gave up on it during the editing phase leaving the assembly of the "master" unfinished and this was put out as is on the 1968 If You Go Away EP anyway?
    Last edited: May 16, 2019
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  5. Dillydipper

    Dillydipper Sultan Of Snark

    Central PA
    You know what your problem is, you're too damn courteous. :mad: Nah, it makes sense to resent when an artist has to change his statement to get the suits to go along with it. It's probably one of the first things we all heard that makes us realize, not everything comes out of a studio just as intended.

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  6. Mal

    Mal Phorum Physicist

    My mistake, it's the mono mix on The Legend Of Dusty Springfield [1994] that shows the splices to and from silence occurring approximately 0.009 seconds apart between channels (Right channel ahead of Left channel), consistent with 45ยบ splices on a 1/4" mono tape transferred at 15 ips using a stereo headstack.

    This suggest that the original mono master has this short blank section physically inserted.

    The 1998 stereo mix replicates this gap but with the edits occurring simultaneously in each channel. Presumably the gap is considered "correct" if, as it seems, it is present on the mono master and was used for the original EP.

    I made my own repair to the mono mix a while back and had forgotten how well it works - it seems as if, on the mono master, the gap was inserted into what was originally a smooth transition. Simply removing the inserted gap restores what appears to be the originally intended transition. The sudden fade-out at the end of the song is still an issue though.

    With the history of this song being slated for A-side single release (29th March 1968 - cancelled), maybe it was a little long given the alternative singles considered at the time ("It's Over" - 2' 35'' and the winner, "I Close My Eyes And Count To Ten" - 3' 15''). Maybe the edit is where the A-side single version of "Magic Garden" might have ended? Or, at least, maybe they tried that. The ending that happens after the edit seems like an alternative rejected experiment involving cross-fading the coda with the intro/chorus edit piece and trying to find a suitable fade-out. Presumably they had an ending more like the 5th Dimension version originally but maybe attempts to reduce the length for single release proved unsatisfactory and the half finished mono master assemblage ended up becoming the standard edit.

  7. apesfan

    apesfan Forum Resident

    From what I recall that was about some computer graphics thing that a faculty member with Brodax were to make some Beatles animated film. That was after my time at NYIT. Take care, John M.
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  8. Chemically altered

    Chemically altered Forum Resident

    In your mind
    Renaissance on the instrumental sections of Spare Some Love from 1972 and Ukrane Ways from 1982. Both have clunky edits of hi hat/drum rhythms.

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