Wilco: Album by Album

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  1. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    (The Jayhawks, by the way, released a new album today).
     
  2. awsop

    awsop Forum Resident

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    As I wrote earlier, compared with Being There there are higher highs and lower lows on Summerteeth.

    The highs for me are:
    Can’t Stand It
    She’s A Jar
    A Shot In The Arms
    We’re Just Friends
    I’m Always In Love
    Via Chicago
    How To Fight Loneliness.

    I love Summerteeth for it’s unique sound and production. It’s so beautifully recorded with all Jay’s sonic embellishments. I think it’s a small sonic masterpiece.
    Another highlight are Jeff’s vocals. His voice still has it’s youthfulness and can sound so fragile.
    However, I am underwhelmed with many of the other songs. It’s a burden to give it a grade as a whole.

    Because of it’s sound in my view it stands isolated in it’s own place in the Wilco catalog.
    I cannot see it as a bridge between BT and YHF. It’s too poppy.
     
  3. awsop

    awsop Forum Resident

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    Candyfloss

    There's too much repitition of the melody of the verse. But it's gloriously saved by it's sparkling, joyfull sound.

    A shot in the arms (remix)

    It has no flow. The instrumentation is too heavy, too ponderous. Jeff's vocals are much less distinctive and are too much buried in the backing.
    It perfectly shows how great the original is.

    I've just read from a Gabe Walters post and the Uncut interview.
    This remix was done by David Kahne, the man who "disliked it (YHF) so much he allowed the band to buy the album from the label".
     
  4. Gabe Walters

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    It's a big part of why the band refused to play ball with him on YHF. They had already played ball on Summerteeth and weren't happy with his results and weren't willing to compromise their music again.
     
  5. Knox Harrington

    Knox Harrington Forum Resident

    Well said! I pretty much agree with everything you said. This is definitely core Wilco.
     
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  6. Knox Harrington

    Knox Harrington Forum Resident

    Summerteeth is a great album and cemented Wilco (if there was any doubt) as a force to be reckoned with. These 3 albums (Being There, Mermaid Ave., and Summerteeth) created a huge buzz around the band. The apex of the Bennett era.
     
  7. robcar

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    I know that the comparison was brought up earlier, but "Candyfloss" is the most Elvis Costello-ish track Wilco has ever done. The overall sound, particularly that Farfisa organ, screams 1978 EC & The Attractions. This is a good song that is only harmed by the weird spot it occupies in the album's track list. I suppose it was shunted to the post-23 seconds of silence portion of the album because the lyrics don't really jibe with the mood of the first 14 tracks. I like it quite a bit.

    As for the remix version of "A Shot in the Arm", it's a bizarre way to close out the album. That said, I like this remix version better than the earlier version we heard as Track 3 on the album. It doesn't have quite as many of the extraneous sonic elements and the strummed acoustic guitar that anchors the song gives it more of a "real Wilco" sound and feel. The song still suffers from some of the same embellishments as the earlier version, but they don't seem as intrusive here. I suppose it's appropriate that "what you once were isn't what you want to be anymore" is the last thing we hear Tweedy sing on Summerteeth.
     
  8. robcar

    robcar Forum Resident

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    As for Summerteeth as a whole, I've pretty much already voiced my feelings about the album. Going through the album track-by-track has only reinforced those thoughts. I'm glad to see others reaching the same conclusion that, whether you like the album a lot or only a little, it's a definite outlier in the Wilco catalog from a stylistic and sonic standpoint. For me, the album starts out poorly but hits a winning streak at the midpoint, only to tail off again to the ending ("Candyfloss" excepted).

    My ranking of the Summerteeth songs in order of preference:

    Nothing'severgonnastandinmyway(Again)
    How To Fight Loneliness
    Candyfloss
    Pieholden Suite
    ELT
    In A Future Age
    Via Chicago
    I'm Always In Love
    When You Wake Up Feeling Old
    A Shot In The Arm (Remix)
    Can't Stand It
    We're Just Friends
    My Darling
    Summer Teeth
    A Shot In The Arm
    She's A Jar

    My ranking of Wilco albums (so far) in order of preference:

    1. Being There
    2. A.M.
    3. Mermaid Avenue
    4. Summerteeth

    Onward and, for me, upward...
     
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  9. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product

    I can't really rate songs... so I won't try.

    So far as albums go

    Being There/Summerteeth - they sit about level for me. Beautifully different. For me in both instances the first half of each is moderately stronger than the second half of each, but that is a terrible generalisation.
    A.M. - it is a very nice album, but somewhat seems like a band looking for their sound, to a degree.
     
  10. Al Gator

    Al Gator You can call me Al

    Candy Floss sounds like one of those local fairs you went to in high school. It's a fun little track, but it would have been hard to sequence in the middle of the album.

    The remixed Shot is inferior in every way IMO.
     
  11. Balding Jay

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    I was in the 2nd row for that show! Agree it was awesome. I was thrilled to get Candyfloss, which is one of my favorites. One of the guys standing behind me was singing along (as was I) and when it came to the end he did a perfect impression of that final vocoded “Ohhhhhh.” Still cracks me up every time I listen to that show.
     
  12. Gabe Walters

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    That’s awesome! I wasn’t initially planning to go but then a few days before I decided, what the heck, I’ll see what seats I pull. I guess Wolf Trap had just released some good ones.
     
  13. rancher

    rancher Unmade Bed

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    Candyfloss is such a great tune, wish it wasn’t hidden! My rankings thus far, though I like all 4 albums very much:

    Summerteeth
    Being There
    Mermaid Ave
    A.M.
     
  14. rancher

    rancher Unmade Bed

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    I love that organ sound too, kinda makes the song or differentiates it at least
     
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  15. rancher

    rancher Unmade Bed

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    Ok in listening and looking back tonight, I found this video recording of my favorite Summerteeth song, My Darling. I had not seen it before, apologies if someone had posted it. Looks like Leroy Bach is playing with them

    My Darling KBTC - ferocious at the end!
     
  16. palisantrancho

    palisantrancho Forum Resident

    I want to see that interview that follows it! Great performance.
     
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  17. frightwigwam

    frightwigwam Talented Amateur

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    Btw, here is their performance of "Can't Stand It" on The Tonight Show w/ Jay Leno. Earlier, I think someone posted their 1999 appearance on Conan, with Winona Ryder introducing them as her favorite band, and I posted clips of them on Jools Holland. If they played on Letterman in 1999, I can't find it.

     
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  18. jalexander

    jalexander Forum Resident

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    Totally agree. I love Summerteeth top to bottom. It’s better than Being There in my books. But True Love... is probably better than anything on Summerteeth. I like complex, layered Wilco, but they’re also masters of hammering out a straight up country rock tune in a way that hits you right in the chest.
     
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  19. jalexander

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    A few other b-sides to note:
    - solo acoustic versions of Sunken Treasure and I’m Always in Love from the Can’t Stand It
    - acoustic duet versions (Jeff and Jay) of Red Eyed & Blue, Box Full or Letters, and Don’t Forget the Flowers, Sunken Treasure From ... And Some Aren’t.
    -several solid live tracks from various compilations: She’s a Jar, Can’t Stand It

    Also, I can’t remember if we covered it, but prior to Summerteeth, Jeff also contributed to a second Golden Smog record, the excellent Weird Tales.
     
  20. mark winstanley

    mark winstanley Certified dinosaur, who likes physical product

  21. wavethatflag

    wavethatflag God is love, but get it in writing.

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    Before we move on to the magnum opus, or what have you, or one of them (and people here will disagree with my other choice for magnum opus at a later date), I just wanted to post that "The ashtray says you were up all night" is one of my favorite, maybe my most favorite, Wilco lyric.

    Oh, wait, I guess we're doing Mermaid Ave. Vol. II first?

    Edit: But back to that lyric—it's something an artistic detective would say. Like if Angela Lansbury in Murder, She Wrote and Vincent Van Gogh were Tweedy's parents.
     
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  22. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Mermaid Avenue, Vol. II
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    (Thumbs up for the kitty!)

    Released on May 30, 2000, Mermaid Avenue, Vol. II was a companion to the very well-received first volume. We talked on those pages about which tracks specifically were leftover from the sessions for the first album and which ones were recorded newly for this volume. I believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the new songs were Secret of the Sea, Remember the Mountain Bed, Blood of the Lamb and Someday Some Morning Sometime. This album again received a Grammy nomination for Best Contemporary Folk Album (it lost to Emmylou Harris' Red Dirt Girl) and it sold well.

    Our friend Greg Kot gave the album four stars in Rolling Stone, writing that the album "plays down Guthrie’s playful leer in favor of his snarl." Spin gave it a complimentary review as well, saying that it did a great job at "humanizing history," though it was less surprising than the original album.

    Sequels will always suffer in comparison to that which they follow, but I think Mermaid Avenue Vol. II is a fine extension of the first album. I don't go into raptures about it, but I always enjoy it when I play it. Mermaid Avenue is one of my top favorites and a record I adore and have listened to zillions of times. Vol. II is a little bit more political, a little bit darker and a little bit sadder than the first. It does, however, contain several huge highlights that are among the best songs on any of the Mermaid Avenue projects. It was well-worth releasing and it is a nice gentle bridge into the 21st century and a hold-over until the next major project.

    For Vol. II, we will be covering two songs per day (similarly to how we went through the first record). The sequencing lends itself well to this as it does bounce back and forth pretty reliably between Wilco and Bragg songs (apart from a curious sequence of five Bragg songs in a row in the second half...).

    We begin:

    Airline to Heaven


    An energetic, strummy folk rocker that has always reminded me of acoustic Zeppelin (Wilcopedia makes this same comparison I see...it does remind me of 'Bron-Yr-Aur Stomp'). I wonder if this was one of the songs banned from radio play following 9/11? This whole song is just Jeff, Jay and John making a cacophony with claps and backing vocals and shakers and a "saw" credited to Jay Bennett. I find it to be an immensely likeable opener with a nice sleepy vocal from Jeff and that catchy chorus. "Turn your eyes to the lord of the skies." It makes me feel good, listening to this one. It became a reliable live track as well. Good lyrics from Woody Guthrie, but I think Wilco really made a classic 'Wilco' song out of them.
     
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  23. Parachute Woman

    Parachute Woman Forum Resident Thread Starter

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    Today's second song:

    My Flying Saucer


    I absolutely love many of Billy Bragg's contributions to Mermaid Avenue (my favorite song on that album is one of Bragg's). I like his contributions to Vol. II less and it is on this project that I'm really here for Wilco and not 'down' so much with Bragg's stuff, who has a lot more angry, political stuff here. 'My Flying Saucer' is one of his best on the album for me. It's brief (not even two minutes) but jaunty and sweet. It just kind of makes me grin thinking about Woody Guthrie writing a song about flying saucers. It's such an early 20th century idea of science fiction or aliens. Apparently on the lyrics sheet, Woody had written "supersonic boogie" in the margin as an idea of how the music should go. This is just a fun little folk song with more strummy guitars.
     
  24. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    Yes, except for Blood of the Lamb. That’s 1997.
    Edit! Unless they re-did it later? (Copyright would still remain the same.)
     
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  25. Zeki

    Zeki Forum Resident

    Mermaid Avenue Vol. II
    Purchased upon release, I did the same as I had done with Vol. I and made a separate cd of just the Tweedy sung tracks. Meaning I’m essentially unfamiliar with the Bragg material.

    I look forward to going track by track as I have decided to accept this as a Wilco record. If Jeff Tweedy considers it to be “the record that sounded the most like we imagined people think we sound like,” then I’ll go along with inserting it into the discography. In fact, I see that four songs on the record are performed entirely by Wilco (or the Tweedy-Bennett duo).

    My favorites have been Remember The Mountain Bed, Someday Some Morning Sometime and Blood of the Lamb but I’ll see where I end up. I skimmed through yesterday and found myself really intrigued by All You Fascists (Bragg penned song), so am looking forward to the deep dive.

    Vol. II songs span 1995 through 2000 (the latter being Tweedy’s ‘Someday...’). Jay Bennett remains as integral as he’s been (notice the Bennett/Tweedy order on three out of four of the shared credits) and is all over the record (playing up a storm).
     

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